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Post by df on Oct 22, 2020 16:13:05 GMT
Borrower Sector: Property Development Loan Amount: £500,000. Term: 18 months (6 months minimum term). Rate: 13% - Interest Only. Security: Company Debenture, Corporate Guarantee, Security Assignment of Contractual Rights over Project Specific Security including Second Ranking Legal Charge. Instant Returns: Enabled. Loan Launch: 11am – 23rd October 2020 (READ ONLY). Loan Live: 2pm – 23rd October 2020
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Post by criston on Oct 23, 2020 11:19:45 GMT
68% LTV 2nd charge
Existing 50% LTV Ist charge.
Have not had time to check out how the Pea Won £1m first loss works.
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Post by macq on Oct 23, 2020 12:10:19 GMT
Small quibble but under risk on page 6 of docs it says P* does not target the top end of the market above 1m due to liquidity in that market - but these are valued at 1.6m?
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Post by p2pfan on Oct 23, 2020 12:34:35 GMT
Small quibble but under risk on page 6 of docs it says P* does not target the top end of the market above 1m due to liquidity in that market - but these are valued at 1.6m? Yes, these flats would have to sell for a high price in order to be able to pay back lenders. The Savills report suggests that they believe the five flats will sell for £7.7m in total. This is a posh part of the world and I've seen in the Harry Redknapp ITV documentaries etc. that properties around there are often worth many millions each. The £1 million first loss for P1 is a chunky sum and gives me comfort. I'm going to for a decent slice of this, but not too much as already invested quite a bit with P1's loans.
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Post by Ace on Oct 23, 2020 12:41:45 GMT
The LTGDV is fairly meaningless during the development, particularly as this is a demolish and build project, unlike many of the other loans which were close to completion. Our borrower's large first loss skin-in-the-game should concentrate their minds on monitoring the development closely. I'm happy to invest.
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Post by criston on Oct 23, 2020 13:56:42 GMT
Has anyone read the full details.
I am trying to understand, if the existing site including part construction is to be bought for £3m, that is the current security value.
The completed security will be either £6.5m or £7.7m.
The first charge is £3.94m.
Ablrate charge is £0.5m of PIs £1.5m, to be made in tranches.
Has the borrower already drawn down any of the first charge loan, or do they draw down partial amounts from 1st & 2nd charges as they build ?
Somewhere along the line surely the total draw downs will not exceed £3m, otherwise there would be a negative security.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Oct 23, 2020 14:04:09 GMT
I have modified my method of due diligence from finding all the negatives and realising nobody even close to their right mind would invest, to what I have styled 'the rose tinted glasses approach', or RTGA for ease of typing.
So my RTGA delivers....
Bournemouth are a good bet for getting promoted back to the premier league next year, they will buy mediocre talent and pay them daft wages. They will need somewhere to live.
If you want any more I need to add narcotics to the new method.
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Post by Ace on Oct 23, 2020 14:15:38 GMT
Has anyone read the full details. I am trying to understand, if the existing site including part construction is to be bought for £3m, that is the current security value. The completed security will be either £6.5m or £7.7m. The first charge is £3.94m. Ablrate charge is £0.5m of PIs £1.5m, to be made in tranches. Has the borrower already drawn down any of the first charge loan, or do they draw down partial amounts from 1st & 2nd charges as they build ? Somewhere along the line surely the total draw downs will not exceed £3m, otherwise there would be a negative security. Site is being purchased for £3m; £1.5m from first charge holder and £1.5m from Pea One (don't think we're supposed to name the borrower explicitly) of which £0.5m is from Ablrate. So, a 66.7% LTV for us at drawdown (100% for PeaOne). As with all property developments the LTV between then and the LTGDV at completion is somewhat nebulous, and could easily be greater than 100% at times. During the development tranche drawdowns will be controlled by a Monitoring Surveyor, who will check that previous drawdowns have been spent wisely and added value. The fact that our borrower has £1m to lose before we do gives them a very large incentive to monitor things closely.
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Post by criston on Oct 23, 2020 14:19:32 GMT
Has anyone read the full details. I am trying to understand, if the existing site including part construction is to be bought for £3m, that is the current security value. The completed security will be either £6.5m or £7.7m. The first charge is £3.94m. Ablrate charge is £0.5m of PIs £1.5m, to be made in tranches. Has the borrower already drawn down any of the first charge loan, or do they draw down partial amounts from 1st & 2nd charges as they build ? Somewhere along the line surely the total draw downs will not exceed £3m, otherwise there would be a negative security. Site is being purchased for £3m; £1.5m from first charge holder and £1.5m from Pea One (don't think we're supposed to name the borrower explicitly) of which £0.5m is from Ablrate. So, a 66.7% LTV for us at drawdown (100% for PeaOne). As with all property developments the LTV between then and the LTGDV at completion is somewhat nebulous, and could easily be greater than 100% at times. During the development tranche drawdowns will be controlled by a Monitoring Surveyor, who will check that previous drawdowns have been spent wisely and added value. The fact that our borrower has £1m to lose before we do gives them a very large incentive to monitor things closely. Thanks. That makes sense now.
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Post by criston on Oct 24, 2020 16:15:31 GMT
I note some negative chat on DD central, but prefer to look at the figures.
Pea Won are probably prepared to loan initially up to 100% LTV on this project, because they believe the borrower paid less than what the development is worth. After all who buys a partially started development at full price; from what I have seen, around 60% to 80%.
I have no details of how much of the development groundwork has already been carried out, but it appears the substructures are in.
The building cost from scratch on high spec is likely to be around £300 per sqft. 4 dwellings, 7052 sqft therefore costs £2.1m.
Add £2.1m to cost of existing development, £3m = £5.1m (Less substructure cost). Sales £6.5m.
Finance costs could hit £1m though. Reasonable, as substructure is complete, but helpful if another dwelling gets planning. Substructure work usually equates to 25% of total cost though & that has been done on the 4 dwellings. That means at least £0.5m has been spent on construction works already.
Total loans available £5.44m, should include for 5th dwelling 1300sqft @ £300, £0.4m.
So with 5 dwellings £5.5m borrowings, £1m finance. £6.5m cost. Sales £7.8m. That's better, especially if £0.5m has already been spent on substructures. Could the be a £1.8m profit, if only £5m of the total loan is required to complete.
Edit. I had not realised the amount of superstructure work that had been done on the 4 dwellings, so rather more than £0.5m has already been spent, if only the 4 dwellings are completed.
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Post by boundah on Nov 11, 2020 18:58:34 GMT
I'm being even slower than usual and still trying to understand the order of charges. I get that the whole loan is 2nd, but does the Pipi One first-loss chunk mean they effectively have a 3rd charge behind us?
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