adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2020 10:27:50 GMT
Whilst at the same time lying that a deal was the easiest in history etc etc. If only the recently found ability to label Trump's statements as lies had been applied to those of Vote Leave in 2016. Who has labelled his statements as lies? My understanding is that social media outlets such as Twitter are just tagging them as lacking in evidence to support what is said. www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/912 statements fact-checked to date True - 3% Mostly True - 9% Half True - 13% Mostly False - 20% False - 36% Pants on Fire - 16%
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 5, 2020 10:28:56 GMT
I would define a lie as deliberately saying something you know to be untrue. But in Trumps case, with a mind seeming so muddled and unable to take command of basic facts and concepts, it is hard to be sure that any one mistaken statement is in fact a lie. My hypothesis is this: That at a certain level he knows what he is doing. At an early stage, he came to an accommodation with the fundamentalist Christians in which he agreed to abandon his previous moral stances and work on their priorities in return for their electoral support. These Christians have a mindset predicated on belief that is not supported by facts. When the President makes assertions where the facts clearly point elsewhere (starting with the attendance at his inauguration), it affirms in the minds of the religious that facts can be disregarded, that this way of thinking is legitimate. The President defending his belief against all the facts that he has been re-elected is similar to their defending a belief in the almighty against what they would see is the same set of people in the world who believe in neither. Saying you don't believe in Trump is therefore practically the same as saying you don't believe in God.
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Post by mrk on Dec 5, 2020 11:02:24 GMT
While the haggling continues over fishing rights worth £0.4bn a year, there are some £50bn of banknotes "unaccounted for" by the BoE.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2020 11:42:08 GMT
I would define a lie as deliberately saying something you know to be untrue. But in Trumps case, with a mind seeming so muddled and unable to take command of basic facts and concepts, it is hard to be sure that any one mistaken statement is in fact a lie. Which then raises another question... If he is so incapable of understanding basic facts, and incapable of determining what is true and what is categorically untrue, then is he fit to hold the office? The constitution allows for his removal from office in the event of his "inability to discharge the powers and duties"... Yep. They held their noses and supported him, and in return he's given them a religious-fundamentalist majority on the Supreme Court. Their aim was achieved with Coney Barrett's pushed-through confirmation, and he is now surplus to requirements. Pence would have been very acceptable to them, though, as one of their kind.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2020 11:49:43 GMT
While the haggling continues over fishing rights worth £0.4bn a year, there are some £50bn of banknotes "unaccounted for" by the BoE. "Members of the public do not have to explain to the Bank why they wish to hold banknotes. This means that banknotes are not missing.” Indeed. Are these MPs suggesting that the Bank of England should be tracking down and auditing everyones private cash holdings? Sounds like an Orwellian nightmare to me.
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Post by agent69 on Dec 5, 2020 11:53:24 GMT
Yep. They held their noses and supported him, and in return he's given them a religious-fundamentalist majority on the Supreme Court. Their aim was achieved with Coney Barrett's pushed-through confirmation, and he is now surplus to requirements. Pence would have been very acceptable to them, though, as one of their kind. Does anyone know how nominations for the Republican ticket in 2024 work (given DT has suggested he might run).
Is anyone allowed to throw their hats in the ring, or is there a panel of the great and good who could veto his involvement, for the greater good of the party.
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Post by james100 on Dec 5, 2020 11:55:24 GMT
While the haggling continues over fishing rights worth £0.4bn a year, there are some £50bn of banknotes "unaccounted for" by the BoE. I've developed a kind of reverse Pavlov's dog response to eating fish because of this nonsense. Anyway, I see Boris is "negotiating" directly with Ursula now heaven only knows how that's going to end but they aren't exactly intellectual equals.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 5, 2020 12:08:20 GMT
Yep. They held their noses and supported him, and in return he's given them a religious-fundamentalist majority on the Supreme Court. Their aim was achieved with Coney Barrett's pushed-through confirmation, and he is now surplus to requirements. Pence would have been very acceptable to them, though, as one of their kind. Does anyone know how nominations for the Republican ticket in 2024 work (given DT has suggested he might run).
Is anyone allowed to throw their hats in the ring, or is there a panel of the great and good who could veto his involvement, for the greater good of the party.
Same as normal - they all put their names forward, then they run through the primaries, before the convention chooses who the official candidate is. If Trumplethinskin does run in 2024, I suspect it'd be as a third candidate. Can't see the Repugnicans choosing him again... He'll be 78, though, older than Biden is now - and we all know how much he took age as an attack line... (Not that consistency was ever his strong point, but still...)
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Post by Nomad on Dec 5, 2020 12:21:01 GMT
Who has labelled his statements as lies? My understanding is that social media outlets such as Twitter are just tagging them as lacking in evidence to support what is said. Who? Read the news ... Or, for more fun, watch American late night shows (on YouTube next day) Stephen Colbert Jimmy Kimmel Seth Meyers Jimmy Fellon Trevor Noah! And Jimmy Fallon
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 5, 2020 12:37:16 GMT
Yep. They held their noses and supported him, and in return he's given them a religious-fundamentalist majority on the Supreme Court. Their aim was achieved with Coney Barrett's pushed-through confirmation, and he is now surplus to requirements. Pence would have been very acceptable to them, though, as one of their kind. Does anyone know how nominations for the Republican ticket in 2024 work (given DT has suggested he might run).
Is anyone allowed to throw their hats in the ring, or is there a panel of the great and good who could veto his involvement, for the greater good of the party.
Yup, anyone who is born in the USA can run for the nomination of either party. Not sure that Trump was or is a registered Republican. In a way it's admirable, looking at some of the hacks the UK parties put up for election, but it does leave the field open for any charismatic looney to ride a passing wave of populist enthusiasm and essentially, capture the party..
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Post by dan1 on Dec 5, 2020 13:02:24 GMT
Does anyone know how nominations for the Republican ticket in 2024 work (given DT has suggested he might run).
Is anyone allowed to throw their hats in the ring, or is there a panel of the great and good who could veto his involvement, for the greater good of the party.
Yup, anyone who is born in the USA can run for the nomination of either party. Not sure that Trump was or is a registered Republican. In a way it's admirable, looking at some of the hacks the UK parties put up for election, but it does leave the field open for any charismatic looney to ride a passing wave of populist enthusiasm and essentially, capture the party.. Elon Musk comes to mind.... not in a good way. Definitely a looney. I love his entrepreneurial ventures but I wouldn't want him in charge of the US! I just hope getting to Mars consumes him or he finds another venture to do likewise.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 5, 2020 13:31:41 GMT
Yup, anyone who is born in the USA can run for the nomination of either party. Not sure that Trump was or is a registered Republican. In a way it's admirable, looking at some of the hacks the UK parties put up for election, but it does leave the field open for any charismatic looney to ride a passing wave of populist enthusiasm and essentially, capture the party.. Elon Musk comes to mind.... not in a good way. Definitely a looney. I love his entrepreneurial ventures but I wouldn't want him in charge of the US! I just hope getting to Mars consumes him or he finds another venture to do likewise. Charismatic simpleton then. The billionaires prefer to back a puppet rather then actually stand themselves. Larry Ellison, the Koch brothers, the Evangelical Church, all got it done by backing the candidate with least conscience and the biggest ego.
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Post by dan1 on Dec 5, 2020 13:51:10 GMT
Elon Musk comes to mind.... not in a good way. Definitely a looney. I love his entrepreneurial ventures but I wouldn't want him in charge of the US! I just hope getting to Mars consumes him or he finds another venture to do likewise. Charismatic simpleton then. The billionaires prefer to back a puppet rather then actually stand themselves. Larry Ellison, the Koch brothers, the Evangelical Church, all got it done by backing the candidate with least conscience and the biggest ego. Panic over, Musk born in SA. Phew!
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Post by corto on Dec 5, 2020 15:44:32 GMT
Who? Read the news ... Or, for more fun, watch American late night shows (on YouTube next day) Stephen Colbert Jimmy Kimmel Seth Meyers Jimmy Fellon Trevor Noah! And Jimmy FallonTrevor is a hero!
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Post by IFISAcava on Dec 7, 2020 9:27:01 GMT
Sterling down over 2 cents Markets less optimistic about a deal If we do end up leaving with no deal it will be one of the most egregious political failures in the UK's history.
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