cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 8, 2016 9:20:36 GMT
What about investors who continue to purchase loans parts knowing fully well that the loan has defaulted?? Faith? I still think the writing on the big red box is misleading for new SS investors... It reads as if though interest will be paid after the sale of the security, no matter if the sale covers the costs.
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 8, 2016 9:21:45 GMT
Whether the PF should be used for Capital only or Capital + Interest was covered in this thread along with a poll. The overwhelming response by the members on this forum was that the PF should only cover the interest (82%). ? Wasn't the conclusion of voters capital only Corrected. That would be controversial wouldn't it! Only paying out the interest
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Post by dualinvestor on Sept 8, 2016 9:28:47 GMT
What about investors who continue to purchase loans parts knowing fully well that the loan has defaulted?? Faith? I still think the writing on the big red box is misleading for new SS investors... It reads as if though interest will be paid after the sale of the security, no matter if the sale covers the costs. This is a loan under the old terms and conditions, the primary debtor is Lendy but the wording is ambiguous saying something like you cannot sue Lendy Ltd until the security is realised, but fails to address whether Lendy Ltd is responsible for any shortfall in capital and/or interest once that has occurred. Might be a lawyers field day if there is a shortfall large enough for someone to make an issue of it. IMO if Lendy are on the hook use of the provision fund for what is effectively their loss is an egregious misuse and conflict of interest with the directors of Lendy being the same people as the directors of the provision fund.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 8, 2016 10:15:40 GMT
This is a loan under the old terms and conditions... And that's a very relevant detail that we often forget when navel-gazing about how PBL20 may affect other loans. There simply aren't many old-terms loans still extant. There's only 17 of 81 current loans still believed to be on the old terms, and every single one of those has an update from within the last month (all bar two within the last week) threatening promising rumouring alleging suggesting they're about to repay.
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Post by spiral on Sept 8, 2016 12:46:18 GMT
Corrected. That would be controversial wouldn't it! Only paying out the interest But at least they'd be able to make the claim "Not a penny of interest ever lost"
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Post by dualinvestor on Sept 8, 2016 12:59:09 GMT
Corrected. That would be controversial wouldn't it! Only paying out the interest But at least they'd be able to make the claim "Not a penny of interest ever lost" Was interest paid to redemption on the other defaulted loan? I know they made a big thing of it being repaid in full.
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Post by Liz on Sept 8, 2016 13:08:35 GMT
But at least they'd be able to make the claim "Not a penny of interest ever lost" Was interest paid to redemption on the other defaulted loan? I know they made a big thing of it being repaid in full. Yes interest was paid in full, although it was SS paying the interest every month, so it wasn't accruing. The asset covered the debt when it was sold and PBL20 is likely to have a shortfall, so differing situations as well.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 8, 2016 13:11:31 GMT
But at least they'd be able to make the claim "Not a penny of interest ever lost" Was interest paid to redemption on the other defaulted loan? I know they made a big thing of it being repaid in full. Interest was paid monthly as normal. There was absolutely no difference in how the loan operated compared to non-default loans. (Other then the red box) This was of course prior to the revised T&Cs on interest accruing on defaults SS also said that they would have settled the loan themselves at default point but wanted to let it run so lenders could see and be confident in the process. (A quarter the size of PBL020 of course)
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 8, 2016 13:25:19 GMT
Was interest paid to redemption on the other defaulted loan? I know they made a big thing of it being repaid in full. Interest was paid monthly as normal. There was absolutely no difference in how the loan operated compared to non-default loans. (Other then the red box) This was of course prior to the revised T&Cs on interest accruing on defaults SS also said that they would have settled the loan themselves at default point but wanted to let it run so lenders could see and be confident in the process. (A quarter the size of PBL020 of course) If I recall correctly, savingstream changed the rules on paying interest on defaulted loans just before PBL020 defaulted. That was lucky wasn't it
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 8, 2016 13:31:04 GMT
Interest was paid monthly as normal. There was absolutely no difference in how the loan operated compared to non-default loans. (Other then the red box) This was of course prior to the revised T&Cs on interest accruing on defaults SS also said that they would have settled the loan themselves at default point but wanted to let it run so lenders could see and be confident in the process. (A quarter the size of PBL020 of course) If I recall correctly, savingstream changed the rules on paying interest on defaulted loans just before PBL020 defaulted. That was lucky wasn't it Prudent I suspect is the term youre looking for. After all platform risk is the biggest risk. Cheeky, annoying, unfair, ****** liberty, are terms lenders 'locked in' might utilise
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Post by dualinvestor on Sept 8, 2016 13:33:02 GMT
If I recall correctly, savingstream changed the rules on paying interest on defaulted loans just before PBL020 defaulted. That was lucky wasn't it Prudent I suspect is the term youre looking for. After all platform risk is the biggest risk. Cheeky, annoying, unfair, ****** liberty, are terms lenders 'locked in' might utilise Again something that anyone with enough money at stake might care to test in court.
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 8, 2016 14:37:45 GMT
IMO if Lendy are on the hook use of the provision fund for what is effectively their loss is an egregious misuse and conflict of interest with the directors of Lendy being the same people as the directors of the provision fund. If SS/Lendy do what they've said they will, and top up the PF to 2% of the loan book whenever it pays out, then as far as I'm concerned they can use the PF for any purpose they like. Then again, topping it up every time it is used doesn't strike me as a sustainable policy. But taking money out of the PF whenever a loan is repaid also strikes me as an odd policy, so perhaps I just don't understand SS's PF.
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Post by dualinvestor on Sept 8, 2016 14:46:44 GMT
IMO if Lendy are on the hook use of the provision fund for what is effectively their loss is an egregious misuse and conflict of interest with the directors of Lendy being the same people as the directors of the provision fund. If SS/Lendy do what they've said they will, and top up the PF to 2% of the loan book whenever it pays out, then as far as I'm concerned they can use the PF for any purpose they like. Then again, topping it up every time it is used doesn't strike me as a sustainable policy. But taking money out of the PF whenever a loan is repaid also strikes me as an odd policy, so perhaps I just don't understand SS's PF. If you did you would probably be one of the very few people in the world who understood it, including SS themselves As I see it the PF is paid for by the borrower using funds provided by you the lender, i.e. deducted from the advance at the start of the loan, although no-one outside of SS actually knows the mechanics of it. As the web site maintains it is always 2% of the outstanding loan book one would assume 2% of any repaid loan is withdrawn from the PF and goes into the SS coffers, subject to the same caveat about no-one really knowing. If this is actually the case then the PF is actually deferred fees of SS.
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Post by retired2005 on Sept 8, 2016 16:37:18 GMT
OK ... Somebody help me ...I REALLY dont get it...!!
As far as I have read, the offer that has been accepted for the flower shop is (I think ....) CLOSE to (my words....) the amount of the loan (....not equal to or more than....).
No indication that the PF will be used to cover any interest ....in fact all the opinion on here seems to be that it shouldnt be used in this way ....
And yet people are STILL buying it ....more than £7K in the last day
WHY ?!?!??!?!
What am I missing ?!!?!!?!!!?!
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Post by cooling_dude on Sept 8, 2016 16:40:34 GMT
OK ... Somebody help me ...I REALLY dont get it...!! As far as I have read, the offer that has been accepted for the flower shop is (I think ....) CLOSE to (my words....) the amount of the loan (....not equal to or more than....). No indication that the PF will be used to cover any interest ....in fact all the opinion on here seems to be that it shouldnt be used in this way .... And yet people are STILL buying it ....more than £7K in the last day WHY ?!?!??!?! What am I missing ?!!?!!?!!!? > People don't read this forum (and wouldn't know about the 1.5m listing) > The red box is slightly misleading > Cats walking on keyboard > Alcohol
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