keitha
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Post by keitha on Feb 24, 2021 13:42:22 GMT
My understanding is that it is a legal requirement to complete it.
Yet yesterday I received a card through to door saying I will receive an invitation to take part.
Surely an invitation can be declined.
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starfished
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Post by starfished on Feb 24, 2021 13:55:09 GMT
I suspect the "invitation" applies to the online completion option. If you don't do that, then people start to visit the property which is where the legal element I suspect kicks in...
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 24, 2021 14:30:32 GMT
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toffeeboy
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Post by toffeeboy on Feb 24, 2021 17:34:07 GMT
Has anybody actually said that you aren't European? The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity
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Post by starfished on Feb 24, 2021 17:43:28 GMT
Has anybody actually said that you aren't European? The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity The question is obviously about self-identification or you wouldn't really have British in addition to the other options. Up until 2016, I would have identified as British or a Londoner. I would probably would have shied away from saying I was English (because I felt I was the wrong colour for people to believe I was truly English) although I obviously support the English Football/Rugby Union team (I don't understand that Rugby League business though ) Now I fear what it means to be British feels more fractured since 2016, so not sure what I mean when I put down British now.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 24, 2021 18:02:13 GMT
The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity Nationality is a simple matter of fact - British, for anybody who holds (or is eligible to hold) a UK-issued passport - some may also have another nationality. "Britain" is the nearest to an actual nation out of that list. EVERYTHING else is down to personal self-identification.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Feb 24, 2021 18:40:01 GMT
The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity Nationality is a simple matter of fact - British, for anybody who holds (or is eligible to hold) a UK-issued passport - some may also have another nationality. "Britain" is the nearest to an actual nation out of that list. EVERYTHING else is down to personal self-identification. I always go British because my family comes from all over the UK. Religion though didn't a load of people go star wars last time, Jedi knight? Or if I misremember something else popular at the time?
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 24, 2021 18:52:38 GMT
Third of a million people put "Jedi" in 2001, down to only 56k in 2011...
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Post by IFISAcava on Feb 24, 2021 19:01:00 GMT
Has anybody actually said that you aren't European? The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity People have forcibly taken away my EU citizenship, and I am extremely unhappy about that. I always identified as a Londoner, a European, and British. Having had the European bit taken away, and no longer identifying with what Britain has become (assuming that Britain even continues to be a national entity, which I would currently rate as less than 50/50), that leaves me as a (proud) Londoner.
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Post by travolta on Feb 24, 2021 20:23:43 GMT
I declared myself as Syldavian on the last one. Having worked for them over the Foot and Mouth period , read the returns , helped stupid people and found at least a third could use the rural situation to duck it entirely ,I deemed the whole enterprise to be a Cr&ck of Sh&t. Go ahead weave a fairytale. No one will notice.
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Post by toffeeboy on Feb 25, 2021 12:31:18 GMT
Has anybody actually said that you aren't European? The question is national identity, European would be a continental identity People have forcibly taken away my EU citizenship, and I am extremely unhappy about that. I always identified as a Londoner, a European, and British. Having had the European bit taken away, and no longer identifying with what Britain has become (assuming that Britain even continues to be a national entity, which I would currently rate as less than 50/50), that leaves me as a (proud) Londoner. Britain hasn't been dragged to a different continent, it is still part of Europe. How hard is that for people to understand? Are the inhabitants of Iceland not European either? Norway, Switzerland etc... The European Union isn't a country, nation or continent. It is a union and nothing more, it isn't even a union of like minded countries anymore which is why myself and several others voted to leave it. The European Union doesn't have citizenships, countries have citizens not unions. I know the EU call people EU Citizens but there is no such thing and trying to pass itself off as a country is exactly what the EU wants.
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Post by bracknellboy on Feb 25, 2021 13:22:34 GMT
People have forcibly taken away my EU citizenship, and I am extremely unhappy about that. I always identified as a Londoner, a European, and British. Having had the European bit taken away, and no longer identifying with what Britain has become (assuming that Britain even continues to be a national entity, which I would currently rate as less than 50/50), that leaves me as a (proud) Londoner. .... The European Union doesn't have citizenships, countries have citizens not unions. I know the EU call people EU Citizens but there is no such thing and trying to pass itself off as a country is exactly what the EU wants. Not commenting on anything else, but this is factually incorrect. You are choosing to say that only countries have citizens. That is your choice, but is not something you can state as a universal truism. What does citizenship actually mean that contradicts this usage ? EU citizenship is a formal thing, created by the Maastricht treaty. As such it grants specific rights and protections to citizens of EU countries. For example, rights to free movement, settlement and employment. The right to vote in European electionsetc. It also confers the right to consular protection in countries where their home country (that or those which they carry a passport issued by) don't have representation. EU citizenship is not just some false label, it has legal meaning with real practical meaning.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Feb 25, 2021 13:32:31 GMT
Britain hasn't been dragged to a different continent, it is still part of Europe. How hard is that for people to understand? Are the inhabitants of Iceland not European either? Norway, Switzerland etc... They all have a much closer relationship with the EU than the UK now does, and their citizens have freedom of movement. They are citizens of EEA and EFTA countries, members of the customs union and Schengen.
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Post by james100 on Feb 25, 2021 13:48:57 GMT
In terms of the census question of national identity though, it's more (or less) than citizenship; it's about preferential cultural affiliation and it hardly matters if composite nations in EU are aligned or not (see also: GB). On this basis I would also have to say European or Australian but I may just buckle under my own pettiness and go for "Citizen of Nowhere".
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Post by toffeeboy on Feb 25, 2021 14:37:33 GMT
Britain hasn't been dragged to a different continent, it is still part of Europe. How hard is that for people to understand? Are the inhabitants of Iceland not European either? Norway, Switzerland etc... They all have a much closer relationship with the EU than the UK now does, and their citizens have freedom of movement. They are citizens of EEA and EFTA countries, members of the customs union and Schengen. But the statement was European which would go around all of the countries so you are now arguing a different point, are you trying to say because these countries fit into certain groups they are more European that Britain?
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