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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 22, 2014 13:59:00 GMT
I put £20 in high (for imminent outbid) to make sure I can see what excuses come up when it disappears. Futile Culverts is disgraceful, locking in money for a week (or possibly more) despite the multiple flags about the non-guarantee. They seem to be so arrogant sometimes!
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Post by longjohn on Dec 22, 2014 14:33:41 GMT
That's it done then. Two regular contributors to this forum (not this thread though) have popped in £1460 between them today. Did they read the Q&A?
John
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 22, 2014 14:53:35 GMT
The drama continues. Oh no we won't (guarantee) oh yes they will (or they don't get the cash). FC reacted eventually, but the last question asks whether the borrower's replies from the 15/16 Dec have been "moderated" on 22 Dec by FC. I don't think they have, but why should the date have been altered?
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Post by wysiati on Dec 22, 2014 15:05:26 GMT
The drama continues. Oh no we won't (guarantee) oh yes they will (or they don't get the cash). FC reacted eventually, but the last question asks whether the borrower's replies from the 15/16 Dec have been "moderated" on 22 Dec by FC. I don't think they have, but why should the date have been altered? I think it is glitch. I have seen it with many earlier auctions- sometimes the timing of Q&A responses appears to 'change' to reflect that of the most recent activity. Not helpful but low on the list of fix priorities.
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Post by sl75 on Dec 22, 2014 15:57:27 GMT
... but why should the date have been altered? It has always been the way at FC. Whenever a borrower makes an additional response (or presses some other button on the relevant screen that only borrowers can see?), they update the date of ALL existing responses with the new date. Presumably if FC need to run another auction without the guarantee present they'll have either have a different risk rating, or not approve the borrower for the loan at all. It has been clearly and unequivocally stated that if the loan from THAT auction proceeds it will be only with a guarantee present, so ball is in the borrower's court - whether they wish to provide the guarantee or apply for another loan (possibly from elsewhere) to be assessed on a different basis. It could even be a deliberate tactic that we've had anecdotal evidence of having been done before - proceed to get a loan offer from FC, despite being unwilling to comply with FC's conditions, due to a bank manager who said they'd match whatever FC offered, and who doesn't look beyond the interest rate.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 22, 2014 16:24:24 GMT
In the meantime, 9729 appeared, and vanished within a few minutes .. 'Listed incorrectly with cash back'. Must have been a good office party ...
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Post by goldservice on Dec 22, 2014 17:04:56 GMT
That's it done then. Two regular contributors to this forum (not this thread though) have popped in £1460 between them today. Did they read the Q&A? John Don't know if that means me or not but [whoops, thinks hard, where's that post hoc justification ...] Yes I put in my usual £600 spread across the rates, then added £160 near the end when I saw that the rates were not moving below 12% with the intention to sell the overhang at par as usual. And No, I never read the Q&A's because I am (happily) illiterate wrt accounting stuff (that may make those of you who clearly have an awesome accounting background breathe in sharply) tho' I am very numerate - but what's the worst that can happen: if the loan is rejected, my £760 is stuck for up to a further week at a time when I have nowhere else to put it; if the loan is accepted, I'll sell it after 6 repayments. Please give me a public kicking if there are missed payments inside those 6 months! ps Having read the Q&A now, it is clearly a morass of incompetence but the whole of Fuzzy Coders is like that. If I avoided all the risky stuff, I would never get my pot fully invested at my chosen diversification of max 0.5%. In my defence (why do I feel defensive - it's a marvellous life not having to read the small print) I do control some risks: I bid on A and A+ only, I bid only in £20s 'cos they sell so much faster, I am selling all parts over £20, and over 8 months old ... pps I did read this thread early on but got confused: I thought the comments were about 9708 which I did not plan to bid on.
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Post by merlin on Dec 22, 2014 17:27:48 GMT
Amazing how quickly the Q and A is moderated by FC for anything which might offend the borrowers (when it is "...not actively monitored and Funding Circle does not control the content...") but do nothing for days when their own inadequate loan details are flagged up, and confirmed as rubbish by the borrower. Off subject I know oldgrumpy but today at the office party a joke came out of my cracker which I think must be worth repeating. "Why do gorillas have such enormous nostrils?" Answer. "Because they have such enormous fingers."
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Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 22, 2014 17:36:14 GMT
I wondered why all my Christmas cards were addressed not to Grum Pee, but Beau Ghee!
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Post by longjohn on Dec 22, 2014 17:39:13 GMT
No kicking needed now or later Goldservice. You're working to a planned strategy and that's good.
If this loan goes ahead it's the auto-bidders that I feel for. They will be unaware of FC's brinkmanship but may pay a price for it.
John
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Dec 22, 2014 18:05:08 GMT
I went with Goldservice's approach too .. if there were alternative homes for the FC funds over the next week or so I might have thought differently, but right now there is a serious drought of auctions to bid on (serious or otherwise). Heck, I may have to go fish in the SM before long. 8>. Yes, this one was a shambles, and FC were depressingly slow to respond to the concerns... accountancy skills not really required to note that the parent company doesn't want to guarantee a loan to their subsidiary .. however I recall a large engineering firm loan (B****n) where there WAS such a guarantee and it still died in month 2-3.
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Post by wysiati on Dec 22, 2014 18:16:38 GMT
In the meantime, 9729 appeared, and vanished within a few minutes .. 'Listed incorrectly with cash back'. Must have been a good office party ... Having already reached fully funded status on the >£200k request. It seems that there's a lot of (freshly recycled) cash on the sidelines.
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Post by blender on Dec 22, 2014 23:18:54 GMT
True, but Autobid has been reluctant to sample the SM for the last couple of days - trying to fill those property loans perhaps and then to take the cash back down further with some little ones. Saw 9729 with the cash back, clicked on the auction page link to bid - and it was gone.
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Post by blender on Dec 22, 2014 23:26:11 GMT
Amazing how quickly the Q and A is moderated by FC for anything which might offend the borrowers (when it is "...not actively monitored and Funding Circle does not control the content...") but do nothing for days when their own inadequate loan details are flagged up, and confirmed as rubbish by the borrower. Off subject I know oldgrumpy but today at the office party a joke came out of my cracker which I think must be worth repeating. "Why do gorillas have such enormous nostrils?" Answer. "Because they have such enormous fingers." Give it a couple of years and there will be a two year gaol term for making such species-ist jokes online. And the term troll will have to be changed so as not to suggest that trolls in general, in the wild, behave badly.
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Post by baldpate on Dec 31, 2014 14:55:21 GMT
Regarding loan 9591 to which the OP refers (the one where the borrower explicitly denied FC's claim that the Holding Company would provide guarantees), Failed Concience didn't pull the loan, as they should have done. Out of pure curiosity I kept this loan in my watch list , even though I had no bids. I now notice the loan has been rejected (no surprise there!), and I was wondering what weasel words FC used to describe the reason for rejection. I can't view the auction myself - is there some kind soul who placed a bid who can tell us how FC finally excused their egregious behaviour : the auction number was 49697. Thanks.
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