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Post by wiseclerk on Dec 11, 2021 11:03:33 GMT
Sry, I realize that this is offtopic as it is not related to the company raising on Abundance.
But I found it a fascinating read on the economics and challenges of building a network of fast charging points. I can highly recommend this (free) reading for anyone interested on the topic
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Post by shimself on Dec 12, 2021 17:53:15 GMT
... a fascinating read on the economics and challenges of building a network of fast charging points. I can highly recommend this (free) reading for anyone interested on the topic
This is fabulous. Many thanks
It reinforces my concerns about the costs on the Abundance offer. This crew are (have) built stations with 4 rapid chargers, complete with a roof, road access etc, for 200k€ (say £45k per charger) . Abundance people seem to be installing a charger only in an existing car park for £100K. Hmm.
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Post by captainconfident on Dec 12, 2021 19:12:06 GMT
... a fascinating read on the economics and challenges of building a network of fast charging points. I can highly recommend this (free) reading for anyone interested on the topic
This is fabulous. Many thanks
It reinforces my concerns about the costs on the Abundance offer. This crew are (have) built stations with 4 rapid chargers, complete with a roof, road access etc, for 200k€ (say £45k per charger) . Abundance people seem to be installing a charger only in an existing car park for £100K. Hmm. It is fair to say though, that it's one thing to be installing identical prefabricated charging stations in greenfield spaces of 201 Dutch motorway service station forecourts, and the bespoke necessities of the city charging stations of the Abundance borrower. However the excellent article linked to by wiseclerk does reinforce that as battery capacity grows, slow charging them becomes too time consuming, to the point that early adopting cities are removing their kerbside charging networks. Rather than having cars parked for hours on slower chargers, the fast charger means several cars can be refilled in a day.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Dec 12, 2021 19:48:15 GMT
As someone who is thinking if buying an electric car and who doesn't have a driveway, I've thought about this problem of charging and time.
However, I think that for 90% of charges, having to spend 30 minutes at 60 kW/h sounds reasonable if the car only has a 59 kWh battery.
My local cinema has a multi storey car park across the way and you can park and charge for free - so 8-11 kWh when watching a movie is perfect.
Hopefully this company has thought about how people will use (and pay) for charging in the future...
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Jan 14, 2022 19:50:28 GMT
The current offer is creeping up in % raised.
I believe that you start earning money from the point of it reaching the minimum threshold (£3m I believe), so if I invest, it'll after that level is reached.
The current gas price hike is making a lot if news. I don't know how it affects electric vehicles but it's probably more psychological than economic. The running costs if electric vehicles are much lower than ICE cars.
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Post by GentlemansFamilyFinances on Mar 15, 2022 12:51:21 GMT
This has now reached the £3m minimum required for the investment but is open until the end of the month - could be extended.
I've only invested 4x£5 to get tickets for the raffle but might consider investing more once the new tax year is open within my IFISA.
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Post by peer2beer on May 23, 2022 10:02:55 GMT
Am I right that I can invest in this new electric car scheme which ends in a few days and get 8% interest (from the closing date?) or get an 8.1% return (from today) if I buy on the secondary market?
It seems like buying second hand is a better deal?
(for what it's worth, I've my money in an IFISA so the ins and outs of tax on interest/dividends/capital gains should not make a difference. But maybe there's a risk angle that I'm not taking into consideration.
Any thoughts?
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Post by corto on May 23, 2022 15:33:32 GMT
Somewhat related: Does anybody actually understand the secondary market?
Assume A invests 10k at 10% and holds for 1year. He then sells for 11k to B.
The way it appears to me is that B receives 10k capital and 1k accrued interest on which he has to pay tax (unless in an ISA or SIPP or below thresholds).
On the other hand, A paid 10k and received 11k, on which he also has to pay CGT (unless ...)
Seems like the tax man cashes in twice?
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Post by corto on May 23, 2022 15:39:20 GMT
A second complication is that this particular debenture is 8% IRR fixed
In the first years the interest will be significantly below 8%
That 8.1% guy is a tricky bas^&rd
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Post by peer2beer on May 23, 2022 17:45:57 GMT
Somewhat related: Does anybody actually understand the secondary market? Assume A invests 10k at 10% and holds for 1year. He then sells for 11k to B. The way it appears to me is that B receives 10k capital and 1k accrued interest on which he has to pay tax (unless in an ISA or SIPP or below thresholds). On the other hand, A paid 10k and received 11k, on which he also has to pay CGT (unless ...) Seems like the tax man cashes in twice? That's my understanding. Although I don't have any CGT headache to worry about.
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