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Post by Come_on_Grandad on Dec 20, 2014 13:15:28 GMT
The renewal auction, 1997845114, commenced at noon on the 18th December. Normal renewal practice, as I understand it, is for the return of capital to departing lenders to be accompanied by interest to that same date. But, whilst capital for the original yacht loans 970348863 and 1351896395 was repaid that morning to those lenders not rolling-over their funds, interest was only paid up to 29th November. This is listed as the "actual end date" and, presumably, is when the borrower actually paid the interest to FS. Participants in the renewal auction, 1997845114, will earn interest backdated to the 30th November. This backdating is mentioned in the renewal loan description and the announcement email, and thus seems a deliberate ploy. I suspect that fundingsecure have arrived in this position accidentally, having been unable to arrange the renewal for 30th November, and have not fully thought through the consequences. The net result is a bizarre subsidy from lenders who chose not to roll-over given to new lenders who take their place. There are now four classes of investor in these yacht loans: - Those who, like me, chose not to roll-over from 1351896395 had capital tied up for 199 days after the "date made active" receiving interest for only 180, reducing their expected 13% annual rate to less than 12%
- Those who chose not to roll-over from 970348863 had, I presume, their capital tied up for 77 days receiving interest for only 58, reducing their expected 13% annual rate to less than 10%
- Funds rolled-over will earn continuing investors the expected 13% p.a.
- New investors will get a greater annualized return, benefiting from the backdated interest
If I choose not extend my original contract I don't expect to be penalized for that choice and I have complained to FS. Meanwhile, despite the increased rate on offer for new money, the yachts seem becalmed.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 20, 2014 21:21:30 GMT
If I choose not extend my original contract I don't expect to be penalized for that choice... I agree. If the borrower has paid only enough interest to cover the period to the original maturity date, then FS ought to have dug into their own pocket to allow the lenders in the original loan to receive all the interest to which they're entitled. And investors in the new loan should receive interest only from 18/Dec -- or possibly only from the date they put in their bid, because that was the date they committed their funds. It wouldn't have taken a huge amount of money to solve this problem -- 19 days of interest on £145k is £981. And even that wouldn't have been an expense to FS since the borrower will owe that amount to FS when the renewal loan matures -- FS simply would have lost the use of that money for a bit less than six months. Unfortunately for FS, however, having stated in the description of the new loan that it would be backdated to 30/Nov, they are committed to paying interest from that date to lenders in the new loan. So if they try to rectify the problem now it will involve a real expense for them.
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Post by sqh on Apr 23, 2015 14:01:53 GMT
Dear fundingsecure,
Can you please provide an update on the 6 racing yachts. There are just 5 weeks until the loan repayment date. If these default, it is important to get them to auction immediately, while the sun is shining. No Borrower excuses please.
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Post by jonno on Apr 24, 2015 10:21:13 GMT
Dear fundingsecure, Can you please provide an update on the 6 racing yachts. There are just 5 weeks until the loan repayment date. If these default, it is important to get them to auction immediately, while the sun is shining. No Borrower excuses please. I think this one should be plain sailing.
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Post by ilmoro on Apr 24, 2015 10:40:59 GMT
Dear fundingsecure, Can you please provide an update on the 6 racing yachts. There are just 5 weeks until the loan repayment date. If these default, it is important to get them to auction immediately, while the sun is shining. No Borrower excuses please. I think this one should be plain sailing. Careful you dont go overboard with the optimism. You might just come adrift
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Post by jonno on Apr 24, 2015 10:47:12 GMT
I think this one should be plain sailing. Careful you dont go overboard with the optimism. You might just come adrift Well, I reckon the tide's turned, and with a fair wind this one should get home.
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Post by Steerpike on Apr 24, 2015 11:30:53 GMT
I sea that this resail calls for a stern approach and I don't want moor, so I mast hold on to my money, bow out and wave goodbye.
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Post by shimself on Feb 25, 2017 9:30:18 GMT
Troubled waters
Loan Reference: 1275810982
The status on one of your investment has been changed to "Unredeemed". This means that the borrower has not repaid the loan, so the assets used as collateral are to be sold off at the earliest opportunity. In the meantime, interest will continue to accrue up to the point of sale. Further details will be added to the loan information as it becomes available.
LTV supposedly 52%.
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Post by r1200gs on Feb 25, 2017 9:41:18 GMT
Troubled waters Loan Reference: 1275810982 The status on one of your investment has been changed to "Unredeemed". This means that the borrower has not repaid the loan, so the assets used as collateral are to be sold off at the earliest opportunity. In the meantime, interest will continue to accrue up to the point of sale. Further details will be added to the loan information as it becomes available. LTV supposedly 52%. This should be interesting. I'm not really new to P2P but I have been very lucky regarding defaults. Those I have seen seem to have security evaporating like the morning mist on far too many occasions. Thanks to these boards, I'm wary because others have found out the hard way. Good luck to those in this loan.
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Post by merlin on Feb 25, 2017 10:26:23 GMT
Troubled waters Loan Reference: 1275810982 The status on one of your investment has been changed to "Unredeemed". This means that the borrower has not repaid the loan, so the assets used as collateral are to be sold off at the earliest opportunity. In the meantime, interest will continue to accrue up to the point of sale. Further details will be added to the loan information as it becomes available. LTV supposedly 52%. This loan could be in deep troubled waters. These boats are collectors items and as such fit into a rather restricted market. Furthermore they are wooden hulled and consequently need constant maintenance. Also the valuation is now nearly three years old and although the loan was at 52% of that valuation it may well be problematic to achieve anything like that figure at auction now. A case of fingers and everything else crossed on this loan I fear!
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Post by SteveT on Feb 25, 2017 11:08:35 GMT
Yup, that was my thinking exactly when I passed on renewing the first time around!
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 26, 2017 11:37:29 GMT
Troubled waters Loan Reference: 1275810982 The status on one of your investment has been changed to "Unredeemed". This means that the borrower has not repaid the loan, so the assets used as collateral are to be sold off at the earliest opportunity. In the meantime, interest will continue to accrue up to the point of sale. Further details will be added to the loan information as it becomes available. LTV supposedly 52%. This loan could be in deep troubled waters. These boats are collectors items and as such fit into a rather restricted market. Furthermore they are wooden hulled and consequently need constant maintenance. Also the valuation is now nearly three years old and although the loan was at 52% of that valuation it may well be problematic to achieve anything like that figure at auction now. A case of fingers and everything else crossed on this loan I fear! Googling these attractive boats reveals that the owner (therefore our borrower) is widely involved in sailing projects and associated businesses. Perhaps FS would like to make clear to us the extent to which he is involved in other current loans on the platform (such as ships and boatyards), which might be affected by problems leading to the default on the six yachts. A reliable QC would be useful here. (A Quick Communication )
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Post by duck on Feb 26, 2017 14:23:02 GMT
A reliable QC would be useful here. (A Quick Communication ) Thanks for the explanation oldgrumpy , without that I would have assumed something completely different and gone off searching for a member of the bar who likes a spot of sailing Might just do that anyway, always good to see how the other half live .....
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 26, 2017 19:29:00 GMT
This loan could be in deep troubled waters. These boats are collectors items and as such fit into a rather restricted market. Furthermore they are wooden hulled and consequently need constant maintenance. Also the valuation is now nearly three years old and although the loan was at 52% of that valuation it may well be problematic to achieve anything like that figure at auction now. A case of fingers and everything else crossed on this loan I fear! Googling these attractive boats reveals that the owner (therefore our borrower) is widely involved in sailing projects and associated businesses. Perhaps FS would like to make clear to us the extent to which he is involved in other current loans on the platform (such as ships and boatyards), which might be affected by problems leading to the default on the six yachts. A reliable QC would be useful here. (A Quick Communication ) oldgrumpy: I think you forgot to 'tag' fundingsecure so that they'd be notified of your posting -- and hopefully increase the probability that they'll respond.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 26, 2017 20:16:02 GMT
Ooops. Thank you Mike. Quite Careless of me really. With a least two defaults involved here I hope the (top tier?) borrower is cognisant of the laws applying to the contracts, and FS will not allow more unnecessary delay or bull*****ing stonewalling by the borrower or his "advisors".
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