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Post by registerme on Dec 23, 2021 13:13:30 GMT
I think they stopped when it got cold and wet.
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Post by archie on Dec 23, 2021 13:16:36 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Dec 23, 2021 13:26:05 GMT
And what will happen to those that follow the legitimte route, but have their claim rejected? Will they go home quietly, or will they be back in the queue for the next rubber dinghy across the channel? Well, since they won't be deported to France, it's a moot point... They will be deported to their country of nationality, the only country in the world that has to accept them. My view is simple, if someone is refused asylum for good reasons eg it can be shown they are Economic Migrants rather than true Asylum seekers it MUST be made possible to remove them from the UK otherwise we have uncontrolled immigration. ( If the law doesn't allow it the law needs to be changed). It does. They are. They always have been. Let's put this all in proportion... commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/2020 - 29k applications. Peak of 85k in 2002, low of 18k in 2010. 2019 - 34k asylum applications, 6% of all migrants arriving in the UK. 52% of applications were accepted at initial decision. 22% of those initially rejected were accepted at appeal. So 62% of applicants accepted quickly. c.13k 2109 applicants either rejected or still outstanding at the time the document was published, Sept 21. 125k "work in progress" cases in June 2021. 57k were still waiting a decision from 2020 or earlier. 6k were awaiting an appeal decision. 40k were awaiting removal. UK - 6 asylum applications/year per 10k population. EU27 - 11 asylum applications per 10k population. The UK gets fewer applications per population than 13 of the 27 EU countries.
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Post by bracknellboy on Dec 23, 2021 13:44:03 GMT
I think they stopped when it got cold and wet. Did they need to go and insulate themselves ?
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Post by KoR_Wraith on Dec 23, 2021 13:48:52 GMT
I don't know about the rest of you but I'm quite glad keitha isn't personally involved in international legislation  , makes Priti Patel's ambitions seem light touch! In all seriousness though, the 'cost' of 'illegal' immigrants to the UK is near insigificant when seen in context with other government spending. That's not to say that there aren't concentrated problems in particular local areas, but as a country there is very little need for yet more restrictions in this domain. I'd like to see less focus on regular people seeking a better life and more focus on making Amazon/Facebook/Jacob Rees-Mogg pay the same rates of tax as their truly domiciled comparatives. |
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Post by agent69 on Dec 23, 2021 14:07:23 GMT
And what will happen to those that follow the legitimte route, but have their claim rejected? Will they go home quietly, or will they be back in the queue for the next rubber dinghy across the channel? Well, since they won't be deported to France, it's a moot point... T hey will be deported to their country of nationality, the only country in the world that has to accept them. But what will happen when they get there? They'll just save up for another one way trip to France
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Post by keitha on Dec 23, 2021 14:16:03 GMT
[qu My view is simple, if someone is refused asylum for good reasons eg it can be shown they are Economic Migrants rather than true Asylum seekers it MUST be made possible to remove them from the UK otherwise we have uncontrolled immigration. ( If the law doesn't allow it the law needs to be changed). It does. They are. They always have been. Let's put this all in proportion... commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01403/2020 - 29k applications. Peak of 85k in 2002, low of 18k in 2010. 2019 - 34k asylum applications, 6% of all migrants arriving in the UK. 52% of applications were accepted at initial decision. 22% of those initially rejected were accepted at appeal. So 62% of applicants accepted quickly. c.13k 2109 applicants either rejected or still outstanding at the time the document was published, Sept 21. 125k "work in progress" cases in June 2021. 57k were still waiting a decision from 2020 or earlier. 6k were awaiting an appeal decision. 40k were awaiting removal. UK - 6 asylum applications/year per 10k population. EU27 - 11 asylum applications per 10k population. The UK gets fewer applications per population than 13 of the 27 EU countries. 2020 - 29k applications. Given the number crossing the channel in Boats in 2020 was around 24,000 that we know of, I would suggest the number is higher as they still arrive by plane, Lorry etc. so we still have an issue of people coming over and disappearing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 15:59:52 GMT
So I guess the cost of ruined lives and miserable deaths are a small thing too.
It isn't just the deaths in the sea, it is the debt that mourning parents take on, the prostitution these people are forced into, the horror that these gangs force on people across the planet.
Honestly I think liberals just don't get it.
If these charities actually cared I'd support them but they don't really, they just want to help the people they see, not the many times that number they don't see.
People smuggling is disgusting and anything that funds it must be stopped. (.)
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Post by adrianc on Dec 23, 2021 16:21:34 GMT
2020 - 29k applications. Given the number crossing the channel in Boats in 2020 was around 24,000 that we know of, I would suggest the number is higher as they still arrive by plane, Lorry etc. so we still have an issue of people coming over and disappearing The official figure is actually about 8,500 people are known to have crossed the channel by small boat in 2020. 2021's figure is about 17k up to September. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/channel-crossings-migrants-home-office-b1928029.htmlAnd, yes, people who come over then don't register for asylum are indeed in the country illegally. There should be a law against it! So I guess the cost of ruined lives and miserable deaths are a small thing too. It isn't just the deaths in the sea, it is the debt that mourning parents take on, the prostitution these people are forced into, the horror that these gangs force on people across the planet. Honestly I think liberals just don't get it. If these charities actually cared I'd support them but they don't really, they just want to help the people they see, not the many times that number they don't see.
People smuggling is disgusting and anything that funds it must be stopped. (.)
You're right. It is. There should be a law against it! But that's not what we're talking about. Letting people drown in the channel won't stop people trying. Making crossing the channel a bit easier and safer might. As might not trashing their home countries in the first place.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Dec 23, 2021 16:39:35 GMT
2020 - 29k applications. Given the number crossing the channel in Boats in 2020 was around 24,000 that we know of, I would suggest the number is higher as they still arrive by plane, Lorry etc. so we still have an issue of people coming over and disappearing The official figure is actually about 8,500 people are known to have crossed the channel by small boat in 2020. 2021's figure is about 17k up to September. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/channel-crossings-migrants-home-office-b1928029.htmlAnd, yes, people who come over then don't register for asylum are indeed in the country illegally. There should be a law against it! So I guess the cost of ruined lives and miserable deaths are a small thing too. It isn't just the deaths in the sea, it is the debt that mourning parents take on, the prostitution these people are forced into, the horror that these gangs force on people across the planet. Honestly I think liberals just don't get it. If these charities actually cared I'd support them but they don't really, they just want to help the people they see, not the many times that number they don't see.
People smuggling is disgusting and anything that funds it must be stopped. (.)
You're right. It is. There should be a law against it! But that's not what we're talking about. Letting people drown in the channel won't stop people trying. Making crossing the channel a bit easier and safer might. As might not trashing their home countries in the first place. What I don't understand is why they are so desperate to get out of France that they are willing to risk dying. I thought France was quite a nice place (reputedly) certainly compared to where they have come from. They might prefer to live in the UK rather than France, but they are no longer escaping from a terrible life in their home countries.
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Post by adrianc on Dec 23, 2021 16:52:37 GMT
The official figure is actually about 8,500 people are known to have crossed the channel by small boat in 2020. 2021's figure is about 17k up to September. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/channel-crossings-migrants-home-office-b1928029.htmlAnd, yes, people who come over then don't register for asylum are indeed in the country illegally. There should be a law against it! You're right. It is. There should be a law against it! But that's not what we're talking about. Letting people drown in the channel won't stop people trying. Making crossing the channel a bit easier and safer might. As might not trashing their home countries in the first place. What I don't understand is why they are so desperate to get out of France that they are willing to risk dying. I thought France was quite a nice place (reputedly) certainly compared to where they have come from. They might prefer to live in the UK rather than France, but they are no longer escaping from a terrible life in their home countries. ...and France has FAR more asylum applications than the UK. Nearly 90k in 2020, as opposed to the UK's 29k. Germany and Spain had more than France. Greece had more than the UK, despite a population of less than 11m... The EU27 had more than 400k applications. France also has far bigger problems with a racist far-right than the UK, as can be seen by the electoral popularity of Le Pen and Zemmour. It's as if Nick Griffin and Jayda Fransen were actual contenders for No.10...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2021 16:59:06 GMT
I don't think bringing in immigrants to get racists is a good idea.
Worth reading about how the Danes dealt with the loss of their German speaking lands and how it influences their present strategy.
[Making it easier to come here would get rid of criminals getting them here]: Let's just say I don't think that will work, but other words washed across my mind. I think putting smugglers in jail for 25 years might work.
Moving the point of entry back to their country and sinking their boats on the beach might work better.
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Post by keitha on Dec 23, 2021 19:48:06 GMT
I'd penalise those who encourage them more severely.
I know of one Chinese takeaway owner who has been fined 3 times for employing illegal immigrants, surely after twice a prison sentence is appropriate.
He has to be making large amounts of money employing them to be taking the risk
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Post by michaelc on Dec 23, 2021 22:06:50 GMT
2020 - 29k applications. Given the number crossing the channel in Boats in 2020 was around 24,000 that we know of, I would suggest the number is higher as they still arrive by plane, Lorry etc. so we still have an issue of people coming over and disappearing The official figure is actually about 8,500 people are known to have crossed the channel by small boat in 2020. 2021's figure is about 17k up to September. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/channel-crossings-migrants-home-office-b1928029.htmlAnd, yes, people who come over then don't register for asylum are indeed in the country illegally. There should be a law against it! So I guess the cost of ruined lives and miserable deaths are a small thing too. It isn't just the deaths in the sea, it is the debt that mourning parents take on, the prostitution these people are forced into, the horror that these gangs force on people across the planet. Honestly I think liberals just don't get it. If these charities actually cared I'd support them but they don't really, they just want to help the people they see, not the many times that number they don't see.
People smuggling is disgusting and anything that funds it must be stopped. (.)
You're right. It is. There should be a law against it! But that's not what we're talking about. Letting people drown in the channel won't stop people trying. Making crossing the channel a bit easier and safer might. As might not trashing their home countries in the first place.Well that final point is something I agree with in spades.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2021 11:11:04 GMT
Many of you will not have read the little book Julius Caeser wrote (or had written). In it he discussed the Helvatians who had built up a nice valley state in what is now Switzerland. They decided to leave and invade Gaul which is why Rome felt they could invade Gaul as well.
The Helvatians agreed they should leave their valley so they burnt everything down and then marched out.
This nonsense has been going on a long time.
Leadership entitlement, bend the knee, religious dogma all good reasons to destroy a country
Merry Christmas
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, makes Priti Patel's ambitions seem light touch!