keitha
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Post by keitha on Jun 10, 2022 18:18:03 GMT
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Post by keitha on Jun 10, 2022 18:27:00 GMT
Within the UK they are highly correlated. No, they aren't. It'd be really nice if they were, because that'd mean that everybody had the same opportunity to get qualifications. But here in the real world, that really doesn't apply. Except it's not that straightforward. A bright kid from a deprived inner-city school will get a place at lower grades than somebody from a top public school will - yet still public schools are massively over-represented in top-tier universities. Does that mean that rich kids are axiomatically brighter than poor ones? 1 in 16 kids goes to a fee-paying school. 1 in 7 teachers works in a fee-paying school. 48% of pupils at fee-paying schools got A or A* A-levels in 2018, vs 26% of pupils at state schools. That widened massively during the Covid teacher-grading fiasco. In 2019, 39% of people in "top positions" had been to a fee-paying school. And it's not just educational attainment - 39% of England rugby internationals and 43% of England cricketers. www.gov.uk/government/news/elitism-in-britain-2019Few employers will care much about A-levels when they're recruiting fresh graduates. Few employers will care much about degrees once there's a few years of post-graduate work experience. From deprived areas White Boys tend to be the group least likely to go to university etc, I believe some of it is an attitude of "working down the Pit/ In Steelworks, at the chicken factory was good enough for me and your grandfather..." These families are also more likely to push kids into jobs to "bring money into the house" Also there is prejudice in the system When my sister was 11 and ready to go to senior school N that passed 11 plus got into girls Grammar School the next 20 or so were interviewed along with parents for 10 places. I can still remember now my sister coming home in tears crying about "how unfair it was" the ones that got in were all taken to the interview in Daddys Car, my sister and most of the other "failures" walked up and fathers turned up on mopeds or push bikes.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 10, 2022 19:49:06 GMT
Surely it's not provable where or when she caught infection, even if the particular boyfriend was the source.
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Post by benaj on Jun 11, 2022 16:06:18 GMT
It’s madness the court orders the insurer to pay without giving the insurer an opportunity to defend itself.
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 11, 2022 16:15:56 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jun 11, 2022 16:27:16 GMT
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Post by bracknellboy on Jun 11, 2022 16:48:17 GMT
I was about to say I was rather surprised that Mathematics graduates weren't mentioned. But looking at the actual article I see that Maths is number 2. Of course, one could reasonably argue that IQ tests only measure certain aspects of intelligence and may be biased to measuring those aspects which are particularly strong indicators for Physics and Maths ability. Still, as a Physics graduate I'll just take the article at face value and resist the temptation to analyse it in detail.
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Post by michaelc on Jun 11, 2022 17:38:08 GMT
I was about to say I was rather surprised that Mathematics graduates weren't mentioned. But looking at the actual article I see that Maths is number 2. Of course, one could reasonably argue that IQ tests only measure certain aspects of intelligence and may be biased to measuring those aspects which are particularly strong indicators for Physics and Maths ability. Still, as a Physics graduate I'll just take the article at face value and resist the temptation to analyse it in detail. Truth in that. I did Maths but I definitely struggle with advanced English word place / anagrams / etc. Hopeless at cryptic crosswords for example and not great at regular ones either. Been a long time since I've done an IQ test but I thought there was usually a healthy dose of English related questions ?
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 11, 2022 18:01:12 GMT
I was about to say I was rather surprised that Mathematics graduates weren't mentioned. But looking at the actual article I see that Maths is number 2. Of course, one could reasonably argue that IQ tests only measure certain aspects of intelligence and may be biased to measuring those aspects which are particularly strong indicators for Physics and Maths ability. Still, as a Physics graduate I'll just take the article at face value and resist the temptation to analyse it in detail. It must be over 40 years since I sat the Mensa invigilated entrance exam, but I remember distinctly it comprising two separate tests and your IQ mark was based on the higher of the two. The first comprised various puzzles, including language puzzles ( "which two words could be switched in the following sentences without changing the meaning"), that kind of thing. In recognition that many candidates would not necessarily be English first language, or would come from a different cultural background altogether, the second test comprised mainly patterns and puzzles that needed no particular knowledge or background. Mensa recognised the problem in the post above and felt this was a fair way to eliminate as much bias as possible.
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Post by overthehill on Jun 11, 2022 18:30:03 GMT
Star Trek fans have a higher IQ than Star Wars fans.
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Greenwood2
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 11, 2022 19:16:41 GMT
I was about to say I was rather surprised that Mathematics graduates weren't mentioned. But looking at the actual article I see that Maths is number 2. Of course, one could reasonably argue that IQ tests only measure certain aspects of intelligence and may be biased to measuring those aspects which are particularly strong indicators for Physics and Maths ability. Still, as a Physics graduate I'll just take the article at face value and resist the temptation to analyse it in detail. It must be over 40 years since I sat the Mensa invigilated entrance exam, but I remember distinctly it comprising two separate tests and your IQ mark was based on the higher of the two. The first comprised various puzzles, including language puzzles ( "which two words could be switched in the following sentences without changing the meaning"), that kind of thing. In recognition that many candidates would not necessarily be English first language, or would come from a different cultural background altogether, the second test comprised mainly patterns and puzzles that needed no particular knowledge or background. Mensa recognised the problem in the post above and felt this was a fair way to eliminate as much bias as possible. I seem to remember that IQ tests were particularly difficult for cultures where straight lines and circles and such things were not understood and for generations after, ie, particularly people living out in the wild. If we are bragging here I think I got 146 in IQ back in the day I dread to think what it would be now (a lot less probably). Physics, Civil Engineering in my further education + into software afterwards.
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Post by travolta on Jun 11, 2022 20:57:20 GMT
I did my IQ just now and fell off my chair when I scored 180 ! Einstein!
1/2 pointed out that it was the mark out of 300 and showed that I was really border line brain damaged on the graph. :-(
i WAS a bit tired after weeding all day..........
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Post by bernythedolt on Jun 11, 2022 22:22:44 GMT
It must be over 40 years since I sat the Mensa invigilated entrance exam, but I remember distinctly it comprising two separate tests and your IQ mark was based on the higher of the two. The first comprised various puzzles, including language puzzles ( "which two words could be switched in the following sentences without changing the meaning"), that kind of thing. In recognition that many candidates would not necessarily be English first language, or would come from a different cultural background altogether, the second test comprised mainly patterns and puzzles that needed no particular knowledge or background. Mensa recognised the problem in the post above and felt this was a fair way to eliminate as much bias as possible. I seem to remember that IQ tests were particularly difficult for cultures where straight lines and circles and such things were not understood and for generations after, ie, particularly people living out in the wild. If we are bragging here I think I got 146 in IQ back in the day I dread to think what it would be now (a lot less probably). Physics, Civil Engineering in my further education + into software afterwards. As I recall (it was an awful long time ago), 140+ placed you in the top 1% of the country and was rated by Mensa as "Genius"👌. SWMBO's 158 pipped me by 3 points....something she's never let me forget these past 40+ years. I rib her that I solved the puzzles while she scored heavily on the pretty pictures part of the test. 😁. My best mate scored 161, which I believe is, or was, the highest rating Mensa UK will assign, so his true figure could be higher.
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Post by jonno on Jun 12, 2022 8:22:14 GMT
Surely it's not provable where or when she caught infection, even if the particular boyfriend was the source. Apparently it was more of a commercial vehicle and said "act" occurred somewhere in the back. She was later allegedly diagnosed with Van-Aerial disease.  Ok, ok, I'm off now.
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Post by agent69 on Jun 12, 2022 11:28:26 GMT
Surely it's not provable where or when she caught infection, even if the particular boyfriend was the source. Apparently it was more of a commercial vehicle and said "act" occurred somewhere in the back. She was later allegedly diagnosed with Van-Aerial disease.  Ok, ok, I'm off now. I wonder how many women are queuing up to be similarly serviced in the back of his vehicle so that they can also claims millions in compo?
Meanwhile, in another part of town, the man who knew he had HPV gets away scot free.
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