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Post by Ace on Oct 8, 2021 7:50:59 GMT
Usual poor journalism from P2PFN (my addition of "nearly" in the title), see here ( www.p2pfinancenews.co.uk/2021/10/07/assetz-capital-tops-seedrs-secondary-market-sales/As the article goes on to say, they didn't top the SM. They were second to Revolut by a very large margin. Much more importantly, there is no mention, let alone discussion, of the fact that all of the sales were at a discount to the latest share price of up to 25%. As a very keen P2Per, I'd be happy to subscribe to P2PFN if they had more insightful and accurate articles...
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Post by overthehill on Oct 8, 2021 10:27:51 GMT
Usual poor journalism from P2PFN (my addition of "nearly" in the title), see here ( www.p2pfinancenews.co.uk/2021/10/07/assetz-capital-tops-seedrs-secondary-market-sales/As the article goes on to say, they didn't top the SM. They were second to Revolut by a very large margin. Much more importantly, there is no mention, let alone discussion, of the fact that all of the sales were at a discount to the latest share price of up to 25%. As a very keen P2Per, I'd be happy to subscribe to P2PFN if they had more insightful and accurate articles...
Good timing and publicity though as existing Assetzcapital investors baulk at the previous 18 months treatment. Any more of that then I'd be questioning the impartiality. The Landlordinvest article seemed more accurate to me.
Subscribe? I just use private windows, easier than deleting cookies.
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Post by ilmoro on Oct 8, 2021 10:34:44 GMT
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Post by rscal on Oct 21, 2021 21:27:29 GMT
At least they don't officially have a ZIRP yet! (just on defaults)
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Post by rookey123 on Oct 22, 2021 8:08:15 GMT
I keep looking at this and find it interesting as an Assetz equity holder. I originally invested (2014?) as I thought it was a good model and got sucked in to the fintech craze. In hindsight it's not really a fintech company just a finance company with private investors on an IT platform (i.e. its not really doing anything that's game changing.)
Clearly the successful entrants quickly realised that to scale and create increasing equity values was to essentially change into a bank model where you can create leverage through your asset/liability mix and don't just match loans to deposits (we can see Zopa going down this road although it's probably too late but maybe not for the equity holders!)
This is not to say that Assetz doesn't have value. It is profitable and it's origination is accelerating. The key though is the shortage of housing stock and never ending increase in asset values which really helps to underpin the valuations and allows better outcomes in distressed scenarios. How the company copes if the housing bubble ever pops is very much open to question (who knows when if ever?)
If Assetz can continue to originate at high levels and remain profitable then at a current valuation of roughly £50m it would look a good buy to any PE house or even banks who wished to grow assets through acquisition. If you think the UK housing market will remain buoyant then I think the discounted Seeder shares are a good buy but then I am somewhat talking my own book!
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Post by overthehill on Oct 22, 2021 10:19:07 GMT
With AC's charging model for borrowers and lenders , equity investment might be the more fruitful option in the near term until they float like their P2P predecessors. After the IPO, scrutiny goes up tenfold, exit timing is everything.
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Post by mikes1531 on Oct 23, 2021 16:00:00 GMT
Much more importantly, there is no mention, let alone discussion, of the fact that all of the sales were at a discount to the latest share price of up to 25%. I read somewhere that AC were going to do a further share offering. If that would qualify for EIS -- Does anyone know if they still have capacity for more EIS shares? -- then potential investors at Seedrs could be waiting for that, and that might explain why discounts are necessary to sell shares on the Seedrs SM because those obviously don't come with EIS share benefits.
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Post by ton27 on Oct 24, 2021 11:38:59 GMT
Much more importantly, there is no mention, let alone discussion, of the fact that all of the sales were at a discount to the latest share price of up to 25%. I read somewhere that AC were going to do a further share offering. If that would qualify for EIS -- Does anyone know if they still have capacity for more EIS shares? -- then potential investors at Seedrs could be waiting for that, and that might explain why discounts are necessary to sell shares on the Seedrs SM because those obviously don't come with EIS share benefits. There have been plenty of instances recently where high AC fees reduce returns to lenders and increase their risk. As an equity investor (as well as a lender) I hope the such fees enhance the profitability of AC and marketability of their shares and are not spent on increased directors pay
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