JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 29, 2021 11:53:28 GMT
I have now ceased all P2P investing and have had no losses on Euro platforms but lost about £ 15000 in the UK platform disasters (assuming nothing comes back).
The amount of interest from the various platforms since 2013 is as follows:
Ablrate £2209 Assetz £5839 Bondora €9650 Collateral £1600 largest loss FundingSec £270 smaller loss Iuvo €2823 Lendy £1564 loss Mintos €15035 Moneything £1552 small loss Peerberry €2175 Robocash €1683 Swaper €2833 Thincats £2230 Twino €6148
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Post by khampson on Dec 29, 2021 16:23:20 GMT
I have invested in Peerberry however with the £ rising against the euro my gains have been minimal because the rising GBP has been rising against the euro from £1.08 to £1.17 now, I take most euro platforms have had this issue.?
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 29, 2021 16:36:57 GMT
Yes you will have lost most of 1 year's income on deposited money, I withdrew most of mine and converted before this year and made good gains in etfs since last year although they could drop again. I am now UK resident and do not want to have to do a tax return for foreign income.
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Post by khampson on Dec 29, 2021 17:21:32 GMT
How did you convert your money, I've been using Revolut but you are limited to £500 per month either way without a premium account. The forecast is for the GBP to continue to rise against the euro and Peerberry have dropped their rates but I'm struggling to match the returns on a 30day rolling loans they offer
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Post by khampson on Dec 29, 2021 17:36:14 GMT
How did you convert your money, I've been using Revolut but you are limited to £500 per month either way without a premium account. The forecast is for the GBP to continue to rise against the euro and Peerberry have dropped their rates but I'm struggling to match the returns on a 30day rolling loans they offer
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Post by p2pfan on Dec 29, 2021 20:04:35 GMT
I have now ceased all P2P investing and have had no losses on Euro platforms but lost about £ 15000 in the UK platform disasters (assuming nothing comes back).
The amount of interest from the various platforms since 2013 is as follows:
Ablrate £2209 Assetz £5839 Bondora €9650 Collateral £1600 largest loss FundingSec £270 smaller loss Iuvo €2823 Lendy £1564 loss Mintos €15035 Moneything £1552 small loss Peerberry €2175 Robocash €1683 Swaper €2833 Thincats £2230 Twino €6148
You were wise to diversify. I'm pleased to see that it seems like the losses you incurred were relatively small compared and not on the platforms you may have invested the largest sums like Assetz, Bondora and Twino? If it's not prying into your private matters, how have the £15k capital losses been split between each of the four platforms that closed down? In this Great Britain we often think that investments "out there" in continental Europe are riskier but it's interesting to see that all four of your losses were UK and not a single one of your Euro denominated P2P platforms collapsed. There hasn't been a UK P2P platform go bust for a few months and it's making me rather edgy, wondering which one will be next. As with 100% of P2P platform collapses there have been thus far, we'll discover that the flimsy 'winding-down plan' document they try to con lenders with will not be worth the paper they're not written on. Capital losses take a lot of investing interest to claw back when one is making interest on P2P investments of, say, merely below 8% and quite often below 5% post-tax and, in real terms, much lower when one considers inflation of well over 5%. As Warren Buffet states, the first rule of investing is to not to lose money.
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Post by littleoldlady on Dec 30, 2021 8:35:03 GMT
Capital losses take a lot of investing interest to claw back when one is making interest on P2P investments of, say, merely below 8% and quite often below 5% post-tax Is it fair to use the post tax rate, in this context, as losses can be offset against income for tax? Just asking, not making any point.
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 30, 2021 8:36:19 GMT
How did you convert your money, I've been using Revolut but you are limited to £500 per month either way without a premium account. The forecast is for the GBP to continue to rise against the euro and Peerberry have dropped their rates but I'm struggling to match the returns on a 30day rolling loans they offer Havingt been French resident I have a French bank account however a Wise account gives you a Belgian account and allows you to convert to pounds for minimal cost.
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Dec 30, 2021 8:44:33 GMT
p2pfan Collateral I had £8000 invested when it closed, Lendy £5000 still outstanding, Funding Secure £2000 and Moneything hardly anything. After the sudden Collateral collapse by the FCA I had been exiting the others.
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ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Dec 30, 2021 21:22:33 GMT
Absolutely wise and correct decision JamesFrance, which I also immediately made, the FCA cannot be trusted. At all. What a great endorsement eh for a body who is supposed to "Protect Consumers", the FCA is a very dangerous and incompetent joke.
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Post by m2btj on Dec 31, 2021 12:16:41 GMT
Absolutely wise and correct decision JamesFrance , which I also immediately made, the FCA cannot be trusted. At all. What a great endorsement eh for a body who is supposed to "Protect Consumers", the FCA is a very dangerous and incompetent joke. I would agree wholeheartedly, the FCA protects its own interests before all others! As for P2P, I still invest in CP, Loanpad & Kufflink. I've run down everything else & my largest holding is with Assetz Capital. I've taken some small hits (a few thousands) with MT & Col. Have £2k in litigation with Archover which is dragging on for almost two years! My biggest lesson is.....I should have trained as an insolvency practitioner! You really do get to write your own pay cheques with other people cash! Health, happiness & wealth (in that order) for 2022 to everyone on this forum!
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 4, 2022 11:23:45 GMT
I invested the money I withdrew from P2P during the past 2 years in funds and etfs and those have currently gained £23475. This required no effort on my part whereas I spent many hours on P2P for a similar return, however that took 8 years.
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Post by ashtondav on Jan 4, 2022 11:53:02 GMT
Apples and oranges. The equities could’ve sunk 50%. Its happened twice in 20 years. Simply different assets
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Post by JamesFrance on Jan 4, 2022 17:42:37 GMT
It seems to me that the most you could earn from UK P2P is now about 5% per annum with the possibility of a huge loss when another platform collapses. Hardly worth the risk.
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Post by ozboy on Jan 4, 2022 18:51:25 GMT
A few carefully chosen Funds urinates all over P2P. IMHO.
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