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Post by captainconfident on Jun 14, 2022 22:15:05 GMT
I have 350k in Euro-p2p. Mintos, Peerberry, Viainvest, Estate Guru, Look&Fin, October, Iuvo, Esketit, Robocash, Moncera, Afranga, Lendermarket, Twino.
This portfolio turns over 11-14% a year, and it has done for years now. Compared to the mainly disappointing UK sector, these companies have established themselves for long enough to earn my trust. I have the happy position that I was left high and dry by the collapse of my company in Belgium, due to Brexit. And Brexit is what closes off most board members here from Euro-p2p.
It seems to me a shame that the celebrated financial engineers of the UK have failed to market a product that is stable and predictable with returns that at least match inflation, while mainland Europeans have produced a thriving and diverse market.
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Post by a0010402 on Jun 16, 2022 20:20:32 GMT
Could you give us the URL´s of EU-based web forums in which some of those Euro P2P sites are discussed, à la P2Pindependentforum.com? Because for me one thing that animated me to try out UK P2P platforms other than the one I was initially using (before any user forums existed) was this forum (which I learned of through a mention Ace made in the MSE users forum), but sadly knowing of no Euro P2P forum counterparts, and in this forum EU sites being relatively underrepresented, I can't say the same about being animated to try out Euro P2P sites, even though some of them might be willing to accept my custom by virtue of my being an EU citizen. Language is immaterial, as I can read a number of them and as for the rest, I'd gladly try reading them by means of automatic web translation. My only condition is they ought to be interactive and have people making regular contributions, such as here, not one-off contributions such as people make on sites like TrustPilot, which I do not like (and do not trust), and often tend to represent new customers rather than long-date existing customers, and also feature no DD. Also no P2P platform review sites – I'd rather hear testimonies first hand and a multiplicity of voices, not an advertorial.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 17, 2022 10:30:29 GMT
explorep2p.com p2pbanking.com Most of the above are self-reinvesting sites that only need half an eye to make sure your auto-invest is functoning. The question is not "is this site safe", as they have been proved over time. The question is "is this entire sector safe". We re looking here at mainly Baltic p2p and you need to keep asking yourself, are there systemic threats to these companies? Why can they offer 11-14% interest rates? The answer is (I think) that the later EU accession countries (i.e. ex-soviet) were under-banked - the banks themselves were starting from scratch. Into this gap stepped these new fintech companies providing quick access to funding, whether it be in loan markets, invoice financing, car-purchase or real estate developments. Notable mid-Europe based companies - October - Look & Fin, are fewer on the ground and offering rates half those of the East because they are in competition with established banks. Having established why you think these fintech firms exist, you need to think about their long term viability. Most of them are profitable, but both the platforms and the companies that use them are without exception small, with a profit of €1m counting as good. The second thing to observe is how well they survive various crises. The sector sailed through Corona without a blip. Putin's War posed a different threat, as five or so of the platforms I listed had exposure to Russian loans, and in one case to Russian and Ukranian loans. I would give all of these 10/10 for their responses. Peerberry particularly heavily effected and positive in keeping their company on track. The sector in earlier days had some bogus sites, some which seemed to be sucked into that territory (Grupeer) and one larger small one, Viventor, which functioned fine for few years, then was sold to the largest loan issuer on the site, which promptly defaulted. A clever way to avoid paying your 6m or so outstanding liabilities. But since these early days rip-offs, the scene has not seen this kind of thing for a couple of years as financial oversight from the Baltic governments' regulatory authorities has tightened. The fly in the ointment is the coming of voluntary regulation, of securitising their products to 'give protection' to investors. Several sites are moving towards this. It has been launched on Mintos, and while the interest rates on these protected investments are fine (15%), the withholding tax (20%) is a big downside. Until the sector can get their way on this and reduce it to 5%, I think they will see a diminution of interest. Having written this essay, and admitting a large exposure to this area, I would be delighted if anyone could point out anything I m missing. Because, a0010402 there isn't anything as good as this p2pindependentforum out there in English to lend a guiding hand.
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Post by wiseclerk on Jun 17, 2022 15:10:20 GMT
Could you give us the URL´s of EU-based web forums in which some of those Euro P2P sites are discussed, à la P2Pindependentforum.com? Check There is more than 3000 investors discussing. It is in German, but some users from abroad use it with Chrome browser autotranslate.
Note that you can register and login for free to see all discussion boards. There are many more than those visible unregistered. Any questions, feel free to send my a DM. I run this forum since 2007.
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Post by wiseclerk on Jun 17, 2022 15:13:51 GMT
I have 350k in Euro-p2p. Mintos, Peerberry, Viainvest, Estate Guru, Look&Fin, October, Iuvo, Esketit, Robocash, Moncera, Afranga, Lendermarket, Twino. This portfolio turns over 11-14% a year, and it has done for years now. Compared to the mainly disappointing UK sector, these companies have established themselves for long enough to earn my trust. I have the happy position that I was left high and dry by the collapse of my company in Belgium, due to Brexit. And Brexit is what closes off most board members here from Euro-p2p. It seems to me a shame that the celebrated financial engineers of the UK have failed to market a product that is stable and predictable with returns that at least match inflation, while mainland Europeans have produced a thriving and diverse market. Impressive amount. I used these too (aside from Peerberry, Looh&Fin and Afranga) and can confirm that my results in the past decade have been very good. Seems that you dodged the issue on Peerberry with Ukrainian and Russian loan? Nowadays I recommend to use platforms that have been around for a couple of years and have some track record.
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Post by captainconfident on Jun 17, 2022 15:31:29 GMT
I have 350k in Euro-p2p. Mintos, Peerberry, Viainvest, Estate Guru, Look&Fin, October, Iuvo, Esketit, Robocash, Moncera, Afranga, Lendermarket, Twino. This portfolio turns over 11-14% a year, and it has done for years now. Compared to the mainly disappointing UK sector, these companies have established themselves for long enough to earn my trust. I have the happy position that I was left high and dry by the collapse of my company in Belgium, due to Brexit. And Brexit is what closes off most board members here from Euro-p2p. It seems to me a shame that the celebrated financial engineers of the UK have failed to market a product that is stable and predictable with returns that at least match inflation, while mainland Europeans have produced a thriving and diverse market. Impressive amount. I used these too (aside from Peerberry, Looh&Fin and Afranga) and can confirm that my results in the past decade have been very good. Seems that you dodged the issue on Peerberry with Ukrainian and Russian loan? Nowadays I recommend to use platforms that have been around for a couple of years and have some track record.
You quote my reply, editing off my comment on Peerberry and the Russian Ukranian loans, and then say I dodged that issue? Can I fund you a new pair of specs, wiseclerk?
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Post by clandestino52 on Jan 2, 2023 22:43:17 GMT
I created a p2p forum in English for EUR p2p sites some years ago. 500 members but not too much activity. Something I did wrong for sure 🤔 Anyway I still try to update with new platforms. www.globalp2plending.com/en/
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