ozboy
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Post by ozboy on Nov 23, 2022 9:57:21 GMT
adrianc , you made a ludicrous sweeping statement which is laughably wrong. Everyone on here knows of course that you know everything and will never admit you are wrong. I have no time for Forum ping pong, even though you seem to.
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Post by agent69 on Nov 23, 2022 10:41:45 GMT
Except that has nothing to do with your erroneous statement - "Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail." Much as it pains you, you are wrong. I'm not, because Shariah courts (which have been here for forty years, btw) are just an entirely voluntary arbitration service for people who agree to be bound by them. They have zero actual power on anybody who doesn't. Same as ACAS, same as the Beth Din, same as ANY mutually-agreeable arbitrator. Same as asking Dave down the pub which of you's right. So, no, they are not "trying to instigate their cultures and customs here". No more than Brit "ex-pats" who move to Spain and want to drink pints of bitter and eat fish and chips are. You honestly believe that woman that go to Shariah courts do so voluntarily?
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Post by adrianc on Nov 23, 2022 10:46:59 GMT
I'm not, because Shariah courts (which have been here for forty years, btw) are just an entirely voluntary arbitration service for people who agree to be bound by them. They have zero actual power on anybody who doesn't. Same as ACAS, same as the Beth Din, same as ANY mutually-agreeable arbitrator. Same as asking Dave down the pub which of you's right. So, no, they are not "trying to instigate their cultures and customs here". No more than Brit "ex-pats" who move to Spain and want to drink pints of bitter and eat fish and chips are. You honestly believe that woman that go to Shariah courts do so voluntarily? Are you meaning divorce? Shariah courts can't order any kind of legal divorce. And, if they don't, then... rightsofwomen.org.uk/get-information/violence-against-women-and-international-law/coercive-control-and-the-law/
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Post by adrianc on Nov 23, 2022 10:49:54 GMT
adrianc , you made a ludicrous sweeping statement which is laughably wrong. Everyone on here knows of course that you know everything and will never admit you are wrong. I freely and happily admit when I'm wrong. In this instance, one of us is - and it ain't me. Shariah courts are no different to any other extra-judicial arbitrator, are part of a long-established tradition of religious arbitrators in this country - and carry zero legal weight. I can't possibly imagine why people like to single them out as something different.
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Post by ozboy on Nov 23, 2022 11:36:52 GMT
You are using the old trick of switching the discussion which is NOT about whether Sharia Courts have “legal weight” or not, the discussion is as to whether “many arrive here (UK) and not only ignore that, but want to instigate their culture and customs here? “ and there is most definitely a want and an effort to instigate Sharia Courts. Nice try but the question is not about their legality.
“I can't possibly imagine why people like to single them out as something different.” - I am not singling them out, it was an example as you should well know.
I learnt a very long time ago to never waste your time arguing with a KnowAll, if you read and comprehend what I said, and what you said, you are laughably wrong.
I definitely will not post anymore on this.
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OzBoy ….... "you have to abide by your hosts culture and customs" - Shame then isn't it that many arrive here (UK) and not only ignore that, but want to instigate their culture and customs here?
Adrianc …... Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 23, 2022 12:15:21 GMT
You are using the old trick of switching the discussion which is NOT about whether Sharia Courts have “legal weight” or not, the discussion is as to whether “many arrive here (UK) and not only ignore that, but want to instigate their culture and customs here? “ and there is most definitely a want and an effort to instigate Sharia Courts. Nice try but the question is not about their legality. If they don't have any legality, then they cannot possible be "instigated" on anybody but those who wish to participate voluntarily. If you're suggesting that every migrant should leave all their previous heritage at the door, and conform entirely to "British culture" - then what IS that? It certainly isn't homogenous. And that's CERTAINLY not something that those emigrating FROM the UK ever do, now is it? But since extra-judiciary alternative arbitration is indeed a well-established part of this country...
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Post by registerme on Nov 23, 2022 12:52:23 GMT
This is like watching Italy play Italy.
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Post by jonno on Nov 23, 2022 13:04:42 GMT
You are using the old trick of switching the discussion which is NOT about whether Sharia Courts have “legal weight” or not, the discussion is as to whether “many arrive here (UK) and not only ignore that, but want to instigate their culture and customs here? “ and there is most definitely a want and an effort to instigate Sharia Courts. Nice try but the question is not about their legality. “I can't possibly imagine why people like to single them out as something different.” - I am not singling them out, it was an example as you should well know. I learnt a very long time ago to never waste your time arguing with a KnowAll, if you read and comprehend what I said, and what you said, you are laughably wrong. I definitely will not post anymore on this. Reference:- OzBoy ….... "you have to abide by your hosts culture and customs" - Shame then isn't it that many arrive here (UK) and not only ignore that, but want to instigate their culture and customs here? Adrianc …... Except they don't, really, not outside the fevered imagination of the Waily Dail. ozboy; there are two types of know-all: the annoying ones who are always right, and the REALLY annoying ones who are invariably wrong. Mmmm...........................now, I wonder which category our fellow forumite falls into??
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 15:44:15 GMT
Meanwhile, in an other playground
FIFA, at what point do you think that stopping digging is good idea?
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Post by keitha on Nov 23, 2022 15:52:25 GMT
Meanwhile, in an other playground
FIFA, at what point do you think that stopping digging is good idea?
When they have extracted as much money as possible, I'm hearing rumours they (FIFA) have promised an Arab country will make the semi finals, and that is why VAR is throwing "oddities"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2022 16:14:23 GMT
Interesting that a Muslim country would ban someone wearing a "coat of many colours" given the importance of Jacob in the path to Islam
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 23, 2022 18:03:37 GMT
Meanwhile, in an other playground
FIFA, at what point do you think that stopping digging is good idea?
Given the German result I suspect that won't be the talking point
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Post by warn on Nov 23, 2022 22:42:58 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Nov 24, 2022 20:06:22 GMT
As it happened I was watching Portugal-Ghana earlier when one of the world's greatest players blatantly cheated and the gullible referee gave a penalty and the partisan VAR system agreed and the BBC must have agreed based on their salivating game report about a 'phenomenon' and 'legend'.
Not only would you not find a defender who thought it was a penalty, I doubt you would find a forward and that is saying something.
It was Ronaldo by the way, watch his face closely, no celebration, just embarrassment after the chump ref falls for it, and relief he won't get booked for cheating. I turned the game off and didn't turn it back on again. Strange how the teams who FIFA want to progress for maximum revenue always get the crucial penalties.
Portugal 3-2 Ghana: Cristiano Ronaldo hailed as 'phenomenon' and 'legend' after victory
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Post by overthehill on Nov 25, 2022 19:51:38 GMT
England getting outplayed by country whose national sport is american football, basketball, ice hockey and baseball.
The problem with teams being so negative and passive is they are clueless when it comes to creating chances. They rely on free kicks, penalties and corners.
So far I have noticed that teams in most games could play 11 outfield players and keep their goailie on the bench.
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