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Post by benaj on Nov 4, 2024 8:25:16 GMT
This is a totally hypothetical question. The shadow cabinet this year has 26 seats.
What if, the majority is so big and the main opposition party does not have enough MPs to form the shadow cabinet? How would this parliament work with such a supreme majority?
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 8:31:18 GMT
Another female leader for the Conservative. Will Labour ever produce a female PM? Their opposition has delivered the three so far. The fact that she is black is more noteworthy. Even following directly on from a South Asian/Hindu PM?
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 14:18:58 GMT
The fact that she is black is more noteworthy. Even following directly on from a South Asian/Hindu PM? ??
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 14:23:25 GMT
Even following directly on from a South Asian/Hindu PM? ?? How quickly we forget. 
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 14:32:30 GMT
How quickly we forget. Yeah but he isn't a South Asian/Hindu . Born and bred in and around Southampton.
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 15:02:26 GMT
Yeah but he isn't a South Asian/Hindu . Born and bred in and around Southampton. Sunak is a Hindu by religion, and South Asian by ethnicity. I didn't mention place of birth or nationality - not least because Badenoch was born in Wimbledon, and has always held British nationality, even if she lived in Nigeria as a child. She calls herself "to all intents a first-generation immigrant", but - of course - Boris Johnson actually was, since he was born in New York and spend most of his first years in the US and was a dual UK/US national until he gave up his US nationality for tax reasons.
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 15:55:35 GMT
Yeah but he isn't a South Asian/Hindu . Born and bred in and around Southampton. Sunak is a Hindu by religion, and South Asian by ethnicity.I didn't mention place of birth or nationality - not least because Badenoch was born in Wimbledon, and has always held British nationality, even if she lived in Nigeria as a child. She calls herself "to all intents a first-generation immigrant", but - of course - Boris Johnson actually was, since he was born in New York and spend most of his first years in the US and was a dual UK/US national until he gave up his US nationality for tax reasons. Start calling a British black person a "West Indian" in the UK and note the reaction. Or insist they have African ethnicity when they've never even been there. Frankly I'm a bit surprised at you Adrian.
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Post by james100 on Nov 4, 2024 16:14:09 GMT
Boris Johnson = British expat kid, born to English parents in US, back in UK before he was on solids, back in US agan for a dad job but home in time for nanny to take him to prep. Not exactly a first-gen immigrant  |
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 17:20:55 GMT
Sunak is a Hindu by religion, and South Asian by ethnicity.I didn't mention place of birth or nationality - not least because Badenoch was born in Wimbledon, and has always held British nationality, even if she lived in Nigeria as a child. She calls herself "to all intents a first-generation immigrant", but - of course - Boris Johnson actually was, since he was born in New York and spend most of his first years in the US and was a dual UK/US national until he gave up his US nationality for tax reasons. Start calling a British black person a "West Indian" in the UK and note the reaction. Or insist they have African ethnicity when they've never even been there. Frankly I'm a bit surprised at you Adrian. I'm not in the slightest surprised that you don't know that "South Asian" is actually the accepted term for people whose ethnicity and familial origins lie in the subcontinent and around. minorityrights.org/communities/south-asians/
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Post by adrianc on Nov 4, 2024 17:23:55 GMT
Boris Johnson = British expat kid, born to English parents in US, back in UK before he was on solids, back in US agan for a dad job but home in time for nanny to take him to prep. Not exactly a first-gen immigrant Ah, yes, I wondered when "expat" would come into it. A migrant by any other name, with overtones of exceptionalism. BTW, Johnson spent just 18 mo of his first five years this side of the Atlantic, then two years in Brussels before starting secondary school. And, yes, somebody born outside the UK who then comes to live in the UK is a first-generation immigrant. It's literally the definition of the term.
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Post by ilmoro on Nov 4, 2024 18:08:19 GMT
On the subject of South Asian ethnicity politicians look who's back as Shadow Foreign secretary ...
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Post by michaelc on Nov 4, 2024 20:01:09 GMT
Start calling a British black person a "West Indian" in the UK and note the reaction. Or insist they have African ethnicity when they've never even been there. Frankly I'm a bit surprised at you Adrian. I'm not in the slightest surprised that you don't know that "South Asian" is actually the accepted term for people whose ethnicity and familial origins lie in the subcontinent and around. minorityrights.org/communities/south-asians/Would you refer to someone who was black, born and bred in the UK as being "African" or similar? What you are referring to above is race - not ethnicity. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnicity#Ethnicity_and_race
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 4, 2024 22:00:30 GMT
is this a private argument or can anyone join in?  If it helps, the official list of ethnic groups and groupings of, as used in the 2021 England and Wales census, is: Asian or Asian British
Indian Pakistani Bangladeshi Chinese Any other Asian background Black, Black British, Caribbean or African
Caribbean African Any other Black, Black British, or Caribbean background Mixed or multiple ethnic groups
White and Black Caribbean White and Black African White and Asian Any other Mixed or multiple ethnic background White
English, Welsh, Scottish, Northern Irish or British Irish Gypsy or Irish Traveller Roma Any other White background Other ethnic group
Arab Any other ethnic group In Wales, ‘Welsh’ is the first option in the White category. List of ethnic groups
Inerestingly, in NI and Scotland, different lists were used. In NI, it was particularly short: Black African Black Other Chinese Filipino Indian Irish Traveller Mixed ethnic group Roma White Any other ethnic group In Scotland, perhaps under the influence of the SNP, they went all the way down to the likes of the following: o Pakistani, Scottish Pakistani or British Pakistani and so on. I didn't spot "Jock" or "Sweaty Sock" as an option [For the avoidance of doubt, this bit is in for comedic effect only. Some of my best friends are Scots] I mention all of this in the spirit of helping the debate along. Or chucking petrol on the fire. Not sure which. BTW, this whole debate has been done before on this forum, even if it was from a different starting point.
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