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Post by martin44 on May 17, 2023 19:45:39 GMT
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Post by ethel on May 17, 2023 21:50:54 GMT
Sci-fi films have been predicting this for years, so I suppose we shouldn't be surprised that it might actually happen in the not too distant future. I just hope these clever AI robots take pity on us poor dim humans, and maybe keep us around as pets once they've taken over, pampering us like we do our pets. It might not be all bad news. Or we might all be terminated. Well, it's our fault for inventing AI in the first place.
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Post by littleoldlady on May 18, 2023 7:55:38 GMT
The fuss reminds me of the Millennium Bug. There is a lot of uninformed speculation from Science Fiction readers and some warnings from insiders who have an agenda and make money out of AI. IMO it is theoretically impossible to create AI as software on a programmable computer because in theory one could track every instruction in the running of a program and you would see that the computer is doing exactly what the programmer instructed. (Programs often include pseudo random numbers to make the action unpredictable, but the random number generator requires a seed and will produce the same number from the same seed, and the same process is possible within the coding of the generator, so there is no intelligence involved).
You can actually ask ChatGPT what it thinks of this argument and it will respond that the unpredictability and complexity simulates intelligence. By this argument the National Lottery number generators based on bouncing balls are intelligent.
This is not to say that AI is impossible, just that it cannot be programmed. If we ever manage to build an AI machine it would call into question the existence of free will in humans, something we always assume even though there is no known scientific principle which would allow it.
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Post by agent69 on May 18, 2023 8:22:25 GMT
BT to cut 55,000 jobs with a fifth replaced with AI
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Post by registerme on May 18, 2023 10:03:44 GMT
IMO it is theoretically impossible to create AI as software on a programmable computer because in theory one could track every instruction in the running of a program and you would see that the computer is doing exactly what the programmer instructed. hmmm, I'm not an expert, but I don't think so. You can do a lot to test / validate code, but you can't prove its validity. Godel's Incompleteness TheoremAnd that's before you start thinking about the introduction of even funkier things like quantum computing. I find the entire AI discussion fascinating. What even is intelligence? Does a computer have to exhibit the same intelligence as a human before we can consider it to be intelligent? I mean octopuses show signs of intelligence, and in addition to the brain in their heads they have a sub-brain in each limb... Intelligence in animals evolved in the context of the environment those animals found themselves in. What "environment" does a computer exist in? I find it interesting that ChatGPT4 has been trained on both English and Chinese. And shows the same linguistic capability in each. But then if we took a baby from Bristol and brought them up in Beijing... Do I know where AI is going? No. Do I think AI is a threat? Not in and of itself, at the moment, but certainly LLMs in the hands of unscrupulous actors could be used... inappropriately (deep fake production, propaganda, flooding social media with plausible sounding news bites, conning people out of money etc). Do I think AI could be a threat in the future, depending on where humanity takes it? I think it's incredibly exciting, and possibly dangerous. Neither of which are mutually exclusive.
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Post by ozboy on May 18, 2023 13:16:24 GMT
BT to cut 55,000 jobs with a fifth replaced with AI
Hopefully my BT.A shares will go up then ........
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Post by markyg61 on May 18, 2023 13:38:00 GMT
I work in the industry and I would say yes, alot of jobs will be replaced. AI, Automation, autonomous vehicles; it's all about replacing the fallible carbon units.
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Post by benaj on May 18, 2023 15:13:50 GMT
Did you buy it from 120p?
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Post by crabbyoldgit on May 18, 2023 17:43:31 GMT
In the end the seed is digital number and if that is generated each time from a quantum source it's truly random , I think . Got to say my grip of quantum theory gets a bit weak at times, it's truly non logical to my newtonion trained physics upbringing and only by repeating through gritted teeth , it works and has been proved to work can I accept its true.
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Post by martin44 on May 18, 2023 18:12:35 GMT
I read some info recently that said 2 computers had randomly started intereracting with each other in (i think) urdu... where neither computer had been imputted with any urdu information. how the heck does that happen?
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Post by martin44 on May 18, 2023 18:15:56 GMT
IMO it is theoretically impossible to create AI as software on a programmable computer because in theory one could track every instruction in the running of a program and you would see that the computer is doing exactly what the programmer instructed. hmmm, I'm not an expert, but I don't think so. You can do a lot to test / validate code, but you can't prove its validity. Godel's Incompleteness TheoremAnd that's before you start thinking about the introduction of even funkier things like quantum computing. I find the entire AI discussion fascinating. What even is intelligence? Does a computer have to exhibit the same intelligence as a human before we can consider it to be intelligent? I mean octopuses show signs of intelligence, and in addition to the brain in their heads they have a sub-brain in each limb... Intelligence in animals evolved in the context of the environment those animals found themselves in. What "environment" does a computer exist in? I find it interesting that ChatGPT4 has been trained on both English and Chinese. And shows the same linguistic capability in each. But then if we took a baby from Bristol and brought them up in Beijing... Do I know where AI is going? No. Do I think AI is a threat? Not in and of itself, at the moment, but certainly LLMs in the hands of unscrupulous actors could be used... inappropriately (deep fake production, propaganda, flooding social media with plausible sounding news bites, conning people out of money etc). Do I think AI could be a threat in the future, depending on where humanity takes it? I think it's incredibly exciting, and possibly dangerous. Neither of which are mutually exclusive. what are LLM'S?
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Post by registerme on May 18, 2023 18:59:50 GMT
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Post by registerme on May 18, 2023 23:06:13 GMT
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Post by michaelc on May 19, 2023 13:52:45 GMT
The fuss reminds me of the Millennium Bug. There is a lot of uninformed speculation from Science Fiction readers and some warnings from insiders who have an agenda and make money out of AI. IMO it is theoretically impossible to create AI as software on a programmable computer because in theory one could track every instruction in the running of a program and you would see that the computer is doing exactly what the programmer instructed. (Programs often include pseudo random numbers to make the action unpredictable, but the random number generator requires a seed and will produce the same number from the same seed, and the same process is possible within the coding of the generator, so there is no intelligence involved). You can actually ask ChatGPT what it thinks of this argument and it will respond that the unpredictability and complexity simulates intelligence. By this argument the National Lottery number generators based on bouncing balls are intelligent. This is not to say that AI is impossible, just that it cannot be programmed. If we ever manage to build an AI machine it would call into question the existence of free will in humans, something we always assume even though there is no known scientific principle which would allow it. That's the closest I've seen in this thread of someone trying to get down to brass tacks I also had my fair share of ML but wouldn't say I was working at the forefront of the industry. Perhaps someone can explain WHICH jobs are going to be replaced by AI (that haven't already). Are BT really employing 55,000 dumb roles? Are they perhaps going to replace call centre staff with chatgpt like devices? Will be interesting to see how that goes down....
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Post by adrianc on May 19, 2023 14:31:51 GMT
There's been chatbots doing first-cut customer service for years.
But, when it comes to the kind of low-end first-rung customer service that could be replaced by "smarter" chatbots, aren't most of those jobs (including BT) already offshored to script-driven call centres in the subcontinent...?
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