keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 7, 2023 9:14:46 GMT
at the behaviour of his daughter applies for planning permission for a "tom Moore building" in his name and to support the charity, then the plans are changed to include a spa for the use of the occupants, and the reference to charity works removed, then when permission not given goes ahead anyway. Now the charity commission are saying she shouldn't have been paying her self £100,000 a year to run the charity. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66100178he was a gentleman and a hero to many, his daughters behaviour risks tainting it and personally I'm disgusted at her
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Post by registerme on Jul 7, 2023 9:50:57 GMT
at the behaviour of his daughter applies for planning permission for a "tom Moore building" in his name and to support the charity, then the plans are changed to include a spa for the use of the occupants, and the reference to charity works removed, then when permission not given goes ahead anyway. Now the charity commission are saying she shouldn't have been paying her self £100,000 a year to run the charity. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-66100178he was a gentleman and a hero to many, his daughters behaviour risks tainting it and personally I'm disgusted at her Agreed.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 7, 2023 11:57:27 GMT
The finances of the Captain Tom Foundation (which is seperate from the entity that manages the £32m raised by Sir Tom) has been the subject of adverse media coverage ever since it was set up. I believe that at one stage the £100k salary that the daughter paid herself was more than the amount paid to the good causes that were suposed to be benefiting.
They come across as a bunch of leaches just freeloading on his name.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 7, 2023 12:51:20 GMT
The whole thing stank from the very start. Old boy gets some exercise. Self-publicist PR consultant daughter spins it. Press go mad, because... lockdown. All goes to daughter's head. April 2020 - walks start to hit the headlines. May 2020 - daughter registers www.hannahingrammoore.com/ and .co.uk June 2020 - foundation registered. Utterly predictable. And, of course, it didn't take long before it started crashing down - this is just the latest episode... Last June - www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-announces-statutory-inquiry-into-the-captain-tom-foundation"The Captain Tom Foundation was registered on 5 June 2020... The (Charities) Commission opened a case into the charity in March 2021."www.maytrixgroup.com/ is daughter plus hub's company, since 2010.
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Jul 7, 2023 14:14:14 GMT
The whole thing stank from the very start. Old boy gets some exercise. Self-publicist PR consultant daughter spins it. Press go mad, because... lockdown. All goes to daughter's head. April 2020 - walks start to hit the headlines. May 2020 - daughter registers www.hannahingrammoore.com/ and .co.uk June 2020 - foundation registered. Utterly predictable. And, of course, it didn't take long before it started crashing down - this is just the latest episode... Last June - www.gov.uk/government/news/regulator-announces-statutory-inquiry-into-the-captain-tom-foundation"The Captain Tom Foundation was registered on 5 June 2020... The (Charities) Commission opened a case into the charity in March 2021."www.maytrixgroup.com/ is daughter plus hub's company, since 2010. I hate to do it, given the recent trend of people finding themselves agreeing with you and doubting their judgement. However I totally agree, I am just mystified that so many bought into it. Daft old Tom to me always was and always will be. Reluctant credit to the daughter for pulling it off. Guess you just need an overly eager no talent BBC news reporter to buy it hook line and sinker.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 7, 2023 14:31:52 GMT
The finances of the Captain Tom Foundation (which is seperate from the entity that manages the £32m raised by Sir Tom) has been the subject of adverse media coverage ever since it was set up. I believe that at one stage the £100k salary that the daughter paid herself was more than the amount paid to the good causes that were suposed to be benefiting.
They come across as a bunch of leaches just freeloading on his name.
agreed. It has stank for a long time. Charities run by family members of the "figurehead" cause are never a good thing, but doubly so when they are being paid salaries and substantial ones for the role. Which has been the case here pretty much since inception - or at least since the poor bloke passed away - as I recall. Frankly my reaction to this particular aspect when it first broke a few days ago was a resigned shrug and "colour me surprised, not". I virtually never donate to causes/fund raisings like this. Call me tight, or unsentimental, or perhaps level headed and realistic. There are better ways to contribute and donate to 'doing good'. But of course they aren't subject to the same media swooning and "ooooh, isn't he wonderful" hype and sentimentality. Nothing against the old fella of course, a wonderful guy. But that its been taken advantage of in some way is almost, but not quite, as predictable as the sun rising in the morning, frankly.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 7, 2023 14:37:34 GMT
- or at least since the poor bloke passed away - Ah, yes... That bit. He caught 'vid on a Caribbean holiday provided FoC by a sponsor, BA... Of course, all the family also went.
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Post by james100 on Jul 7, 2023 14:38:09 GMT
It had everything....bit of old, bit of posh, bit of war, bit of NHS, bit of stiff upper lip...couple months later we're onto knighthood, the Queen, national treasure-ness and a free holiday....the whole thing was peak British NUTS.
The daughter wasn't the only person that used him IMO; large swathes of the UK channelled their need to feel like they were doing something, part of something bigger and better than reality - wasting their lives away in lockdown.
Poor bloke should have been allowed to have a bit of fun in peace...getting dragged off to freebie Barbados without being vaccinated was also not a great idea.
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Post by agent69 on Jul 9, 2023 8:47:46 GMT
- or at least since the poor bloke passed away - Ah, yes... That bit. He caught 'vid on a Caribbean holiday provided FoC by a sponsor, BA... Of course, all the family also went.First class I assume?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 9, 2023 8:58:48 GMT
Ah, yes... That bit. He caught 'vid on a Caribbean holiday provided FoC by a sponsor, BA... Of course, all the family also went.First class I assume? Not just... They even provided him with a personalised antimacassar...
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Post by keitha on Jul 9, 2023 9:40:22 GMT
and it gets worse, the Daughters company billed the charity for items such as security costs when he did public appearances, and transport to and from.
the chief exec bought in to sort the mess out apparently quietly resigned months ago.
the stench is becoming unbearable.
for me the issue is a lot of and I personally know of several raise thousands a year but so much goes on admin and management that the intended recipients get very little, one I know of raising £200,000 a year pays the founder of £120,000 a year in expenses and salary and his wife another £40,000 to act as secretary. It's virtually folded because the locals round here saw it as him using it as a piggy bank
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Post by michaelc on Jul 9, 2023 15:55:13 GMT
I have wondered for a long time how much corruption there is in the world of charities.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 9, 2023 17:46:17 GMT
I have wondered for a long time how much corruption there is in the world of charities. It depends on your perception of "corruption". Outright fraud should be minimal, thanks to the charities commission - who picked up on Moore quickly. SWMBO worked for years for several charities, from major-global-household-name to small-but-non-trivial. All were superb causes, and did great work without which many people's lives would have been immeasurably worse. The usual whinge is people being paid headline sums. From her experience, the bigger issue is incompetence from people who AREN'T paid near-market salaries... Think of a charity as a business - because that's exactly what it is, and should be.. Sales is fundraising. The product is spending money on furthering their aims. So long as professional fundraisers are bringing in more than they cost, the charity is benefiting from them. In any half-way competently managed charity, fundraising costs are a small percentage of the annual income, with the fundraisers bringing in a multiple of their costs. The nice thing about charities is that their finances are REALLY transparent. Let's take Oxfam as a random example. register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regId=202918&subId=0£373m revenue, of which £95m was spent on fundraising. So fundraising is producing 400% of costs... 1 employee is paid £300-350k/year. That, I would suggest, is WAY less than the chief exec of any non-charitable £373m turnover business would be paid... 5 other employees are paid £100-200k/year, and 64 are paid £60-100k... out of 4,174 employees... The most important figure - £230m/year of the £280m/year revenue after cost-of-sales was spent on actually achieving their aims, relieving poverty and famine, 82%. THAT, surely, is a good thing? If they were incompetently run, how much lower would that be?
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Post by james100 on Jul 9, 2023 17:46:24 GMT
There was an article in the DT about this yesterday...paywalled as usual but here: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/07/07/inside-story-captain-tom-hannah-ingram-moore-spa/Finally someone mentioned the word "cult" and also touched on using the title Captain 75 years post retirement. His daughter did exceptional work in creating brand "Captain Tom", orchestrated £40M benefit for NHS charities and the alleged embezzlements, whilst clearly wrong, are tiny compared to the positive impact. But people are absolutely seething. Why? Because "Captain Tom" evolved into something like a covid-Saint personifying how united and blitzy the UK was in lockdown...woe betide anyone who contaminates that (hi)story with the unpalatable truth that maybe it was a well-oiled marketing operation run at least in part for a degree of personal gain. adrianc I see your personalized antimacassar and I raise you a reported local council debate to rename his village from Marston Moretaine to Marston Mooretaine
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Post by adrianc on Jul 9, 2023 18:27:05 GMT
...orchestrated £40M benefit for NHS charities and the alleged embezzlements, whilst clearly wrong, are tiny compared to the positive impact. The foundation never saw a tiny fraction of the £40m. That went straight to NHS funds (as it could've anyway, of course...) Their big hype year was FY ending May 2021. It started with the foundation being created, and it ended with it being investigated. register-of-charities.charitycommission.gov.uk/charity-details/?regid=1189808&subid=0£1m revenue. £370k spent on charitable activities. £9k spent on office rent. Then you look at the filed accounts. £16k on Tom's "accommodation, security, transport" to company started by daughter at the same time as the walks hit the headlines, before the charitable foundation - find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12571495. £27k to daughter's company for "third party consultancy" plus another £10k of expenses to the company and £1,700 directly to daughter.
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