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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 17, 2023 18:22:00 GMT
Presumably some of the 75 non-Grammar kids also went on to university, so the 3% figure may be an underestimate, but I agree. We've done our kids a disservice, setting unrealistic goals for so many by pretending they are of university calibre. We're just saddling them with a load of debt and nothing useful to show for it. I think I generally agree with you and Keith on this. BUT a phrases like "university calibre" or "Oxbridge material" probably aren't best advised. I think we should have high quality apprenticeships and before that high quality vocational teaching at school. Those who pass and become heating engineers, mechanical engineers etc should be given the same amount of respect as someone studying PP at Oxford for example.I also think of those going to Uni, only a tiny minority should be doing particular arts subjects where there is no obvious career path - only the very, very brightest should be doing that. More places for Medicine/Denistry and others where the career is clear. Frankly, in the sense used, they should be given more respect than someone studying PP/PPE at Oxford. The latter was generally considered by others to be the course for idiots: your parents were rich enough to send you to the best schools, give you the best possible tuition, best possible preparation for entrance exams, but you were still sufficiently unsmart to have to settle for PP/PPE. That aside. My personal view is that as our default position we should give ALL people respect regardless of their educational ability or the job they do. Respect and decency shouldn't be based on educational achievement, nor the wealth or positions you attain in life. Some of the biggest a***holes are those with the fattest wallets and the highest position: it often goes with having the biggest egos.
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Post by keitha on Aug 17, 2023 18:59:14 GMT
I thought that was the new "T" levels were supposed to be, one issue with so many going to University is that more and more even entry level jobs are asking for degrees
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Post by bernythedolt on Aug 17, 2023 19:04:49 GMT
Presumably some of the 75 non-Grammar kids also went on to university, so the 3% figure may be an underestimate, but I agree. We've done our kids a disservice, setting unrealistic goals for so many by pretending they are of university calibre. We're just saddling them with a load of debt and nothing useful to show for it. I think I generally agree with you and Keith on this. BUT a phrases like "university calibre" or "Oxbridge material" probably aren't best advised. I think we should have high quality apprenticeships and before that high quality vocational teaching at school. Those who pass and become heating engineers, mechanical engineers etc should be given the same amount of respect as someone studying PP at Oxford for example. You'll have to explain that to me. This isn't about the degree of respect owed, it's about ability. Calibre: noun, the quality of someone's character or the level of their ability. It's related to calibration, which is exactly what taking A levels is supposed to do. Examinations calibrate the kids into different achievement bands, according to their ability. 'University calibre' and 'Oxbridge material' are perfectly proper phrases which shouldn't offend other than the ultra-sensitive. I would hope the very, very brightest continue to enter Medicine/Dentistry and other STEM subjects.
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Post by michaelc on Aug 17, 2023 19:18:37 GMT
I would hope the very, very brightest continue to enter Medicine/Dentistry and other STEM subjects. The two are not contradictory but I would hope that more do medicine and thus the other subjects I mentioned should be even more selective. i.e. those likely to go on to phd and research level. I actually think we are too selective for medicine due to the limited number of places available. Allowing a*,a*,a but not allowing a*,a,a is nonsense. We need more doctors and dentists to stop relying on other countries.
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Post by jlend on Aug 17, 2023 20:26:59 GMT
Exam results day is a time I often think of my dad. He joined ucca, the precursor of ucas, just after it was formally created, he was their 3rd employee. He stayed there for the rest of his working life.
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Post by benaj on Aug 17, 2023 21:04:29 GMT
I would hope the very, very brightest continue to enter Medicine/Dentistry and other STEM subjects. [/quote] Well, it seems Chemistry is one of the most popular subject for OCR A levels, 7000 got A or A*, I suppose a large portion of those are the “brightest” However, according to one article from Beeb, the lifetime earnings pay gap between female and male medicine graduates are huge. There’s hardly any difference from Engineering graduates.
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