alender
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Post by alender on Aug 31, 2023 13:12:47 GMT
Thanks for all your responses to my post. I'm in for 70k so am seriously displeased. It seems that they will go into administration regardless of what I do. Would it be so bad if they did? I can't imagine the administrators being any harder on us than these thieves. So why lie back and let them rob us blind. Also after reading the posts it It looks like someone form AC has infiltrated this forum!Won't be the first time, there are many posts in the past jumping on anyone who dares to criticise AC, I have had quite a few with one trolling me to another board to carry out a personal attack. Also it has been seen that people who give bad reports on trustpilot suffered the same fate. However these have greatly reduced as AC has gone to ground.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 31, 2023 14:47:30 GMT
Thanks for all your responses to my post. I'm in for 70k so am seriously displeased. It seems that they will go into administration regardless of what I do. Would it be so bad if they did? I can't imagine the administrators being any harder on us than these thieves. So why lie back and let them rob us blind. Also after reading the posts it It looks like someone form AC has infiltrated this forum!Won't be the first time, there are many posts in the past jumping on anyone who dares to criticise AC, I have had quite a few with one trolling me to another board to carry out a personal attack. Also it has been seen that people who give bad reports on trustpilot suffered the same fate. However these have greatly reduced as AC has gone to ground. Poorly informed shareholder ...
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Post by ashtondav on Aug 31, 2023 14:51:22 GMT
I don’t even want 100%. 4th way reckoned in feb we could be fully out by 2027 - 4 more years. Given that and current 4 year interest rates and no interest on ac loans I would happily accept 80%, even 75% for an immediate exit. I’m surprised my (performing) loans aren’t worth 75%-80% of their face value to an institutional investor. And if they’re not worth 75%-80%, what are they worth to a buyer? It can’t be very much less if we’re expecting total return of capital over the medium term ( say 4 years).
With absolutely no chance of selling out (at any price?) that implies the loan book has no value. Yet we are told to expect full capital over (say) 4 years. Not reconcilable.
Or am I being dumb?
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 31, 2023 14:57:08 GMT
Thanks for all your responses to my post. I'm in for 70k so am seriously displeased. It seems that they will go into administration regardless of what I do. Would it be so bad if they did? I can't imagine the administrators being any harder on us than these thieves. So why lie back and let them rob us blind. Also after reading the posts it It looks like someone form AC has infiltrated this forum! From widespread & in depth experience of P2P admin, administration will be more expensive, protracted & even more clueless. While AC have demonstrated regular incompetence & errors, they are at least things lenders have been generally able to get sorted & at least have recourse to a statutory complaint procedure. That all goes with admin leaving only expensive legal action. Therefore I agree with the poster that admin is the last resort ... but disagree that what AC are presenting now is in anyway what lenders signed up to.
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Post by bk on Sept 1, 2023 9:49:06 GMT
I've now had a total of £1700 back in 2 months against a 72k balance. At this rate it will be approximately 7 years before I get my money assuming no interest paid on top. Not the 4 years I have heard mentioned. Yet people on this platform say there is no reason to complain!
Despite all the posts I am still to understand what can be achieved by complaining other than costing AC money and more admin. I also note one of the members on the forum has mentioned they are using Mendelson Solicitors on a no win basis. However there is no feedback on how this is going. I actually tried contacting the solicitors myself and they have not returned my call. Anyone have any views on them or legal action in general?
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Post by bob2010 on Sept 1, 2023 10:21:19 GMT
I've now had a total of £1700 back in 2 months against a 72k balance. At this rate it will be approximately 7 years before I get my money assuming no interest paid on top. Not the 4 years I have heard mentioned. Yet people on this platform say there is no reason to complain! Despite all the posts I am still to understand what can be achieved by complaining other than costing AC money and more admin. I also note one of the members on the forum has mentioned they are using Mendelson Solicitors on a no win basis. However there is no feedback on how this is going. I actually tried contacting the solicitors myself and they have not returned my call. Anyone have any views on them or legal action in general? I asked them about it last month and it's been forwarded to senior management but I've yet to receive a response. It makes no sense, expecially as they have confirmed to us that there are no future commitments.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 1, 2023 12:42:32 GMT
I've now had a total of £1700 back in 2 months against a 72k balance. At this rate it will be approximately 7 years before I get my money assuming no interest paid on top. Not the 4 years I have heard mentioned. Yet people on this platform say there is no reason to complain! Despite all the posts I am still to understand what can be achieved by complaining other than costing AC money and more admin. I also note one of the members on the forum has mentioned they are using Mendelson Solicitors on a no win basis. However there is no feedback on how this is going. I actually tried contacting the solicitors myself and they have not returned my call. Anyone have any views on them or legal action in general? I asked them about it last month and it's been forwarded to senior management but I've yet to receive a response. It makes no sense, expecially as they have confirmed to us that there are no future commitments. £3.5m Known future commitments + £?contingency funds for unknowns.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 1, 2023 12:51:54 GMT
I've now had a total of £1700 back in 2 months against a 72k balance. At this rate it will be approximately 7 years before I get my money assuming no interest paid on top. Not the 4 years I have heard mentioned. Yet people on this platform say there is no reason to complain! Despite all the posts I am still to understand what can be achieved by complaining other than costing AC money and more admin. I also note one of the members on the forum has mentioned they are using Mendelson Solicitors on a no win basis. However there is no feedback on how this is going. I actually tried contacting the solicitors myself and they have not returned my call. Anyone have any views on them or legal action in general? Timescale is entirely dependent on loan redemptions ... there have been a lot of extensions & delayed redemptions in the last few months. You can't extrapolate from the last 2 months because redemptions are inevitably lumpy. The value of loans that should have repaid (ie hit term) each of the last two months was in double digits, the actual redemptions were low single digits (will publish latest numbers later) which inevitably reduces funds distributed to lenders. Similarly drawdowns have slower than timetabled so funds to meet those commitments are being retained over a longer period than originally projected.
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Post by rookey123 on Sept 4, 2023 12:10:31 GMT
Having gone through the administrations of ThinCats, FundingSecure and Collateral I can unequivocally state that even risking Assetz going into administartion is the worst possible outcome for investors. I would happily take 100% capital over 5-10 years than less than 50% through the very high cost administration route.
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Post by rscal on Sept 4, 2023 13:18:48 GMT
Having gone through the administrations of ThinCats, FundingSecure and Collateral I can unequivocally state that even risking Assetz going into administartion is the worst possible outcome for investors. I would happily take 100% capital over 5-10 years than less than 50% through the very high cost administration route. But I don't understand (seriously I do not) how being required to handle a FEW complaints (presumably assuming they can't win against those) by a mere handful of customers against the thousands of unhappy (but effectively 'queued') customers could threaten the viability of the operation? So come on you expert, tell me how it's done that complaints cause the wheels to fall off this well-oiled money chiseling whereby we now pay them to do what the borrowers have already paid them for? What is the synopsis of 'The Road to Aministartion' movie (with Hope and Crosby)?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Sept 4, 2023 15:00:27 GMT
Having gone through the administrations of ThinCats, FundingSecure and Collateral I can unequivocally state that even risking Assetz going into administartion is the worst possible outcome for investors. I would happily take 100% capital over 5-10 years than less than 50% through the very high cost administration route. But I don't understand (seriously I do not) how being required to handle a FEW complaints (presumably assuming they can't win against those) by a mere handful of customers against the thousands of unhappy (but effectively 'queued') customers could threaten the viability of the operation? So come on you expert, tell me how it's done that complaints cause the wheels to fall off this well-oiled money chiseling whereby we now pay them to do what the borrowers have already paid them for? What is the synopsis of 'The Road to Aministartion' movie (with Hope and Crosby)? On TC it was one big investor who won a complaint that was going to cost a lot, several large investments to be refunded with interest, and TC (I think) thought they ought to compensate everyone in those loans (and/or other lenders in those loans would complain once they became aware of the judgement) which would have been a very substantial amount. The retail platforms themselves don't retain much funds so TC couldn't honour it's commitments and pay the FOS settlement so went into administration. They had also carefully hived off the institutional investors part of the platform, which is still running and I assume profitable. I don't know what funds the part of Assetz that deals with the retail lending side has, but likely not as much as you might think for 'this well-oiled money chiseling....'. The company structure of these entities is a bit beyond me!
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Post by garreh on Sept 4, 2023 18:08:10 GMT
AC has acknowledged the practice of front-loading fees, prioritising rapid profit maximisation, all while committing to a prolonged 4/5 year run-off strategy.
These actions send conflicting message and signals. AC has a history of incompetence and a pattern of manipulation. It would be naïve to not consider a greater scheme at play here.
For those who prefer a cautious approach, waiting to see how things unfold may be a suitable option. Personally, I've seen enough to sit idly by.
Stuart Law and his team should be held responsible and restricted from participating in the financial industry to protect others from potential harm.
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Post by alender on Sept 4, 2023 22:22:28 GMT
Having gone through the administrations of ThinCats, FundingSecure and Collateral I can unequivocally state that even risking Assetz going into administartion is the worst possible outcome for investors. I would happily take 100% capital over 5-10 years than less than 50% through the very high cost administration route. What makes you think that AC won't go into administration once it has taken as much as it can out of investors, no matter what investors do or don't do? What makes you think you are going to get 100% capital back? To get 100% you need the vast majority of loans to be repaid and AC not to take costly fees chasing the non payers, however they already taking high fees chasing these loans. If AC don't decide to go into administration after it has got as much as it can (otherwise why front load the fees) I think they will find new and innovative ways to gain more fees from investors capital, after all they pretty much have all the interest now.
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Post by chrismellish on Sept 5, 2023 15:43:21 GMT
Having gone through the administrations of ThinCats, FundingSecure and Collateral I can unequivocally state that even risking Assetz going into administartion is the worst possible outcome for investors. I would happily take 100% capital over 5-10 years than less than 50% through the very high cost administration route. What makes you think that AC won't go into administration once it has taken as much as it can out of investors, no matter what investors do or don't do? What makes you think you are going to get 100% capital back? To get 100% you need the vast majority of loans to be repaid and AC not to take costly fees chasing the non payers, however they already taking high fees chasing these loans. If AC don't decide to go into administration after it has got as much as it can (otherwise why front load the fees) I think they will find new and innovative ways to gain more fees from investors capital, after all they pretty much have all the interest now. I am only guessing in what I say, albeit having chatted to a couple of others who have more recently left, but I think AC had "no choice" but to front load the fees. Take this with a pinch of salt as it's just a guess but what I think happened is that they ran out of cash / were going to fall below regulatory minimum reserves back when they shuttered retail lending which is what forced their hand. Allegedly they haven't been lending very much via the institutions, so are more or less funded via the income and fee from the retail book and the historic institutional loans, which would make them dependent on this fee to keep the lights on. I suspect that when they originally set out the tapering of the fee that they expected lending volumes to have increased by now but that this hasn't happened. My fear for lenders would be if the fee has been used to fund a pivot of the business that hasn't worked out, leaving the loan book with the same future recovery costs but with that much less to pay for it, and a business that ends up either limping on or in administration anyway. It will be interesting to see if they extend the fee again.
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Post by honeybadger on Sept 5, 2023 16:13:01 GMT
The thing that always grinded my gears was how close the "pivot" was to the timing of the seedrs fundraise. That to me felt egregious - raising under one business case - but ultimately using the funds for another; and marketing that raise to the retail investors while pulling the trigger on shutting new loans that could have been written at higher rates. They could have created a new book instance or a series - a "gbba 3/4/5" if you like, and let existing investors have priority access, while closing the old book to repayment/redemption only.
In the meantime, the new loans Assetz could have been writing at these rates for the past 6 months; golly gee lets just leave that to crowdproperty and loanpad.
I'm raising no accusations - it just feels like a duping.
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