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Post by jordan on Jun 9, 2016 15:34:34 GMT
So what platforms are confirmed to be offering an ISA and which ones are we waiting on? abundance, crowdstacker, funding tree Everyone else Hi, We (Orca Money) have created an IFISA infographic that may help with who can currently offer IFISAs. Be conscious of the small print under 'Abundance Products' section of the IG. This IG will be updated as platforms become fully regulated and have permissions from HMRC to offer IFISAs. www.orcamoney.com/ifisa-infographicThanks
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Post by ilmoro on Jun 9, 2016 17:36:46 GMT
abundance, crowdstacker, funding tree Everyone else Hi, We (Orca Money) have created an IFISA infographic that may help with who can currently offer IFISAs. Be conscious of the small print under 'Abundance Products' section of the IG. This IG will be updated as platforms become fully regulated and have permissions from HMRC to offer IFISAs. www.orcamoney.com/ifisa-infographicThanks Very pretty Couple of observations: no mention of FSCS (or lack of) which is probably relevant in the ISA market. Statement that you cant open more than one IFISA in a single year is incorrect without clarification, as is the one about opening a second IFISA the following year and being able to invest through both.
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Post by james on Jun 12, 2016 13:56:08 GMT
We (Orca Money) have created an IFISA infographic These are the errors that I noticed: 1. "only receive tax benefit on and upto the yearly allowance". You cannot subscribe more than the yearly allowance. You can receive ISA tax benefits on an unlimited amount of money, millions of Pounds if you have that available to transfer in. "upto" is traditionally two words, not one. 2. "however you wish". No, you may only have current year subscribed money in a single IF ISA, not any number of them, but you can serially move it all from one to another to have an unlimited number in the current year, just with only one having the current year money at each point in time. 3. "Cannot ... Open more than one IFISA in a single year". There is no limit on the number of IF ISAs you can open, unless you have one with all providers and the maximum number in those which allow more than one. Only one can have money subscribed in the current year at a time, the others can be funded with past year money from any type of adult ISA. 4. "Can... Open a 2nd IFISA 12 months after initial IFISA was opened" There is no requirement to wait twelve months between opening IF ISAs. If there were 50 available you could open 50 on the same day if you wanted to, just as with cash or S&S ISAs.
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Post by jordan on Jun 13, 2016 9:36:41 GMT
Thanks for your comments, will seek to update and clarify our infographic accordingly.
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Post by jordan on Jun 13, 2016 10:58:41 GMT
Hi, We (Orca Money) have created an IFISA infographic that may help with who can currently offer IFISAs. Be conscious of the small print under 'Abundance Products' section of the IG. This IG will be updated as platforms become fully regulated and have permissions from HMRC to offer IFISAs. www.orcamoney.com/ifisa-infographicThanks Very pretty Couple of observations: no mention of FSCS (or lack of) which is probably relevant in the ISA market. Statement that you cant open more than one IFISA in a single year is incorrect without clarification, as is the one about opening a second IFISA the following year and being able to invest through both. Hi, Appreciate your kind words and thank you for your observations, we're seeking to update and clarify the infographic at this time. We have input a risk warning around FSCS, however are looking to make it more prominent.
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Post by ilmoro on Aug 9, 2016 16:03:06 GMT
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 9, 2016 16:45:21 GMT
In a nutshell what they are doing is extending the scope of IFISAs to include transferable debt securities issued by companies or charities that are made available to investors through an electronic platform. The distinction between p2p loan parts and securities is a bit of a fine one, but it is generally accepted that regular p2p loan parts are not securities. There are detailed conditions that I don't have time to digest at the moment. I'd be interested to know whether bonds issued through Downing Crowdfunding would be eligible. No doubt Downing will tell us in due course but meanwhile the description in the FAQ including in particular this Q&A might be enough for james to have a view. www.downingcrowd.co.uk/help/faq/can-i-sell-my-bond. I don't have any other crowdfunded investments of this nature and am not really familiar with the market.
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Post by james on Aug 13, 2016 17:51:48 GMT
In a nutshell what they are doing is extending the scope of IFISAs to include transferable debt securities issued by companies or charities that are made available to investors through an electronic platform. The distinction between p2p loan parts and securities is a bit of a fine one, but it is generally accepted that regular p2p loan parts are not securities. I haven't read it yet but it's worth a look at the CGT topic to see what platforms take the view that their loans are initially simple debts or not. Ablrate for example might be relevant given the opinion there that the loans are not simple debts. And of course it is quite widely accepted that loan parts purchased on a secondary market cease to be simple debts. So this appears without having read it to be very sensible recognition of the reality of how things work.
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Post by pikestaff on Aug 13, 2016 22:06:00 GMT
...And of course it is quite widely accepted that loan parts purchased on a secondary market cease to be simple debts... Not so. Loan parts purchased on a secondary market are still simple debts (assuming that they were simple debts in the first place). The distinction you are thinking of is that second-hand simple debts are chargeable assets for CGT purposes, whereas they are not chargeable assets for the original lender. See HMRC guidance HS296 www.gov.uk/government/publications/debts-and-capital-gains-tax-hs296-self-assessment-helpsheet.
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Post by james on Aug 13, 2016 23:18:40 GMT
Thanks, yes, I was.
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Post by daveb4 on Aug 22, 2016 6:20:15 GMT
Most of this thread is a few months old (appreciate a lot of comments on specific platform threads) and just interested to hear what people are doing half way through the tax year with their IFISA?
I was hoping for P2P element of IFISA to happen a little sooner so have kept some cash in a cash ISA for too long so have we been transferring our cash ISA's into a IFISA with a bank/building society or waiting for one of our favourite platforms to open an IFISA hopefully within the next 6 months?
What is working well for people?
Thanks
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Post by stevio on Aug 22, 2016 7:03:06 GMT
Most of this thread is a few months old (appreciate a lot of comments on specific platform threads) and just interested to hear what people are doing half way through the tax year with their IFISA? I was hoping for P2P element of IFISA to happen a little sooner so have kept some cash in a cash ISA for too long so have we been transferring our cash ISA's into a IFISA with a bank/building society or waiting for one of our favourite platforms to open an IFISA hopefully within the next 6 months? What is working well for people? Thanks As long as its a flexible ISA (Lloyds for example), you can withdraw and replace money in a cash ISA as long as its done within a tax year. So I liquidized some P2P investments, invested in cash ISA, withdrew and it was back invested in P2P same day. I haven't seen any worthwhile P2P ISA's yet, but I can rinse and repeat the above till there available, whilst maintaining my Cash ISA allowances for when they are
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Post by Greenwood2 on Aug 22, 2016 11:51:35 GMT
I assume you would have to pay the funds back into your cash ISA before the end of this tax year and take it out again in the new tax year, assuming you haven't been able to invest in a p2p ISA by then.
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Post by stevio on Aug 22, 2016 12:59:50 GMT
I assume you would have to pay the funds back into your cash ISA before the end of this tax year and take it out again in the new tax year, assuming you haven't been able to invest in a p2p ISA by then. Exactly Plus in the new tax year you would have a new yearly allowance as well, so can do the same with that Hopefully though there might be a P2P ISA by then!!!!
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Post by littleoldlady on Aug 22, 2016 15:16:58 GMT
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