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Apr 11, 2024 12:37:05 GMT
Post by registerme on Apr 11, 2024 12:37:05 GMT
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michaelc
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Apr 11, 2024 12:41:51 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 11, 2024 12:41:51 GMT
Oooh - do you know where can I get one from ?
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Post by captainconfident on Apr 11, 2024 16:48:13 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Apr 11, 2024 17:31:56 GMT
I saw this story on twitter, apparently he signs them, who signs a bible unless they think they are god...
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Apr 11, 2024 18:34:34 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 11, 2024 18:34:34 GMT
I saw this story on twitter, apparently he signs them, who signs a bible unless they think they are god...
Or Donald the Apostle ?
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Apr 11, 2024 20:40:53 GMT
Post by daveb on Apr 11, 2024 20:40:53 GMT
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy.
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registerme
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Apr 11, 2024 20:53:08 GMT
Post by registerme on Apr 11, 2024 20:53:08 GMT
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. The sad thing is he's not even very good at being naughty. That, at least, I could find some kind of admiration for.
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adrianc
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Apr 11, 2024 21:02:17 GMT
Post by adrianc on Apr 11, 2024 21:02:17 GMT
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. The sad thing is he's not even very good at being naughty. That, at least, I could find some kind of admiration for. He has a lot of practice at being naughty, and the scale of his naughtiness is epic. But he does seem to get caught quite a lot. Or is it just a small proportion of a truly monumental amount of naughtiness? Progress tracker for the five main cases against him at the moment... projects.apnews.com/features/2023/trump-investigations-civil-criminal-tracker/index.html
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Apr 11, 2024 21:49:57 GMT
Post by michaelc on Apr 11, 2024 21:49:57 GMT
He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy. The sad thing is he's not even very good at being naughty. That, at least, I could find some kind of admiration for. Nobody else is likely to save hundreds of thousands of lives in Ukraine.
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Post by registerme on Apr 11, 2024 22:24:08 GMT
The sad thing is he's not even very good at being naughty. That, at least, I could find some kind of admiration for. Nobody else is likely to save hundreds of thousands of lives in Ukraine. And how is Trump going to do that? Let Russia have the three eastern oblasts with no consequences? And if the "West" allows that, what message do you think that sends Putin? Where next? Where do you draw the line? You have expressed concern about the impact of immigration on UK, and the salience of this issue in terms of Brexit. What do you think will happen if Russia conquers Ukraine? How many millions of refugees will head west? If that happens what is left of Ukraine? What is left for the population who can't escape? It'll be grim. No apologies for language. If Trump wins, and cuts a deal with Putin selling Ukraine down the river, the value of your property in Kyiv will be zero. And you'll have a lot more extended family beating on your door. I don't have a magic wand. I don't have a solution. But letting Putin win is not the answer. Putin must lose. We live in a much, much more dangerous world than we did a mere ten years ago. I'm not that bothered about my own existence. I care a great deal about the children of my friends, and younger generations in general. The legacy we are leaving them is not a good one .
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Apr 12, 2024 5:54:56 GMT
Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 12, 2024 5:54:56 GMT
Nobody else is likely to save hundreds of thousands of lives in Ukraine. And how is Trump going to do that? Let Russia have the three eastern oblasts with no consequences? And if the "West" allows that, what message do you think that sends Putin? Where next? Where do you draw the line? You have expressed concern about the impact of immigration on UK, and the salience of this issue in terms of Brexit. What do you think will happen if Russia conquers Ukraine? How many millions of refugees will head west? If that happens what is left of Ukraine? What is left for the population who can't escape? It'll be grim. No apologies for language. If Trump wins, and cuts a deal with Putin selling Ukraine down the river, the value of your property in Kyiv will be zero. And you'll have a lot more extended family beating on your door. I don't have a magic wand. I don't have a solution. But letting Putin win is not the answer. Putin must lose. We live in a much, much more dangerous world than we did a mere ten years ago. I'm not that bothered about my own existence. I care a great deal about the children of my friends, and younger generations in general. The legacy we are leaving them is not a good one . I don't think Putin wants to be where he is now, but there is no 'honourable' way out. He might be able to use Trump to give him another option making both of them look good. I don't think Ukraine can win the war they are going to run out of everything, best will be some sort of stalemate. I agree it would be very bad for Putin to win and reprisals against Ukrainians would be terrible, some sort of negotiated peace with Trump playing the, 'look what I can do', role might be a least worst solution.
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Apr 12, 2024 6:39:00 GMT
Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2024 6:39:00 GMT
I don't think Putin wants to be where he is now Of course he doesn't. He wanted to just walk in. Such as? What sort of "stalemate" that doesn't just reward invasion with at least part of the territory of a sovereign neighbour? We let him get away with that in 2014, and look what happened.
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Post by Greenwood2 on Apr 12, 2024 7:17:31 GMT
I don't think Putin wants to be where he is now Of course he doesn't. He wanted to just walk in. Such as? What sort of "stalemate" that doesn't just reward invasion with at least part of the territory of a sovereign neighbour? We let him get away with that in 2014, and look what happened. What do you suggest NATO goes in all guns blazing? As said I don't think Ukraine can win so Putin wins, or this war rumbles on for years with huge losses on both sides that Putin can stand and Ukraine can't, or it becomes a much wider war with NATO, or someone, somehow brokers a peace. Maybe Putin will die or be overthrown, but I'm not holding my breath for that and then what next. So for me least worst is someone brokers a peace and that could be Trump, he's not as aligned as most and he and Putin could polish each others egos. Putin might even decide his police action is complete and withdraw, with a regime change in Ukraine to sweeten the pill (none of this is likely I know).
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Post by bracknellboy on Apr 12, 2024 7:39:45 GMT
Nobody else is likely to save hundreds of thousands of lives in Ukraine. And how is Trump going to do that? Let Russia have the three eastern oblasts with no consequences? ...I think you and we all know the answer to that question. The only way he can truly influence is to withdraw/stop all US military support to Ukr. And in doing so, seriously tip the balance of negotiating power to Putin. Putin will get to keep Crimea forever, and get the majority if not all of currently occupied territory. And the Ukrainians have to just suck it up. There is no other realistic option in which Trump can deliver on his promise (or should that read 'threat', from a Ukr perspective). The alternative would be to flip the other way - threaten massive US intervention to drive Russia out - and that most definitely is not in his plans. Basically he is going to remove all Ukr options of self determination by removing support and offering Ukraine's head on a plate. Could he negotiate some form of withdrawal: possibly, but it would have to be extremely marginal as Putin needs to come away with the prize of the east, and Crimea's occupation de facto recognised.
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Post by adrianc on Apr 12, 2024 7:47:25 GMT
What do you suggest NATO goes in all guns blazing? As said I don't think Ukraine can win Nobody thought Ukraine could hold out for two years. Those two years have exposed the weaknesses within Russia's military. All it would take is NATO members to actually deliver on their pledges of support, and Putin will be forced back. I agree about the huge "what next?" within Russia - Putin's paranoia has closed off all succession planning to prevent threats. Perhaps internal opposition will increase and force a climb-down or coup.
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