michaelc
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Jun 28, 2024 18:05:55 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jun 28, 2024 18:05:55 GMT
Anybody see last night's debate? Hearing the reports on R4 this morning, sounds like a disaster for Biden. Surely, they have to persuade him to step down...? Here's a transcript of the debate ... sort of A sample: Oddly enough that's what ChapGPT said to me too.
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keitha
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Jun 29, 2024 10:00:00 GMT
Post by keitha on Jun 29, 2024 10:00:00 GMT
One of my American friends said last night, that that performance by Biden may have seriously damaged Trumps chances of winning, as it makes it likely ( in his opinion ) that Biden will be replaced as the candidate for the Democrats and that anyone who can string a decent response together will shed Trump.
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Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 29, 2024 11:19:13 GMT
One of my American friends said last night, that that performance by Biden may have seriously damaged Trumps chances of winning, as it makes it likely ( in his opinion ) that Biden will be replaced as the candidate for the Democrats and that anyone who can string a decent response together will shed Trump. Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not)
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agent69
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Jun 29, 2024 12:04:42 GMT
Post by agent69 on Jun 29, 2024 12:04:42 GMT
One of my American friends said last night, that that performance by Biden may have seriously damaged Trumps chances of winning, as it makes it likely ( in his opinion ) that Biden will be replaced as the candidate for the Democrats and that anyone who can string a decent response together will shed Trump. Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) Hillary Clinton was massively unpopular with large sections of the electorate, and was probably the only person in the USA that Trump could have beaten.
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angrysaveruk
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Jun 29, 2024 16:07:10 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 29, 2024 16:07:10 GMT
Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) Hillary Clinton was massively unpopular with large sections of the electorate, and was probably the only person in the USA that Trump could have beaten. Hillary Clinton is primarily massively unpopular with MAGA Trump supporters who they see as the Evil Queen of the US Deep state. To most of the Democratic base she is a Heroic Feminist fighting against a misogynistic system. Although I would say the Wikileaks email dump did a lot of damage to her*. * - If you buy into the worst view some people have of the Clintons then Julian Assange is probably on the "Clinton List", although I am sure he already realises how dangerous some of the enemies he has made might be...
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Jun 29, 2024 17:10:47 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jun 29, 2024 17:10:47 GMT
Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) So, umm, who *is* this "ruling elite" if a billionaire property developer and a 45-year Senator aren't among them? And who, iyho, would be a "decent candidate"?
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angrysaveruk
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Jun 29, 2024 18:23:29 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 29, 2024 18:23:29 GMT
Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) So, umm, who *is* this "ruling elite" if a billionaire property developer and a 45-year Senator aren't among them? And who, iyho, would be a "decent candidate"? I would say the Ruling elite in the US is a series of extremely wealthy Oligarchs many of whom have links to the Military Industrial Complex and the CIA - they are "Globalist" who benefit from the US Hegemony to expand their existing vast personal wealth and influence. This power structure of Oligarchs in the US dates back to the likes of the Rockefellers etc As for decent candidates on the left I would say RFK is better than most, although probably is blackmailable/corrupt to a certain extent. An ideal principled left wing candidate would be someone like Jill Stein, although she has as much chance of becoming the first woman president of the US as she has of becoming the first woman on Pluto. Unfortunately the left are more easy to manipulate than the right in the US (who are naturally suspicious of government power) so there tends to be more corruption on the left in the US. Interestingly the opposite is true in the UK where the Tories are easily the most corrupt party with more skeletons in the closet than a house of horrors*. * - This is to do with the subservient, royalist tendencies of the traditional right in the UK and a total unwillingness to question authority (of which there are some examples on this forum)
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michaelc
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Jun 29, 2024 18:29:17 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jun 29, 2024 18:29:17 GMT
Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) So, umm, who *is* this "ruling elite" if a billionaire property developer and a 45-year Senator aren't among them? And who, iyho, would be a "decent candidate"? Speaking for the UK, the people who when you become PM and you want to do X and Y are told "....hmmm...that will be difficult Prime Minister.....let me look into it...." and do nothing. i.e. the civil servants who actually run things day to day. In the US, they're the folk that if a weak president asks to invade or stop invading A, B or C is told "....but that will really upset country c and would be a terrible thing - not to mention your approval ratings would plummet....blah blah..." They are also the tiny number of people that own the media and are now getting very annoyed as their influence is rapidly waning.
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Post by k6 on Jun 29, 2024 20:05:14 GMT
One of my American friends said last night, that that performance by Biden may have seriously damaged Trumps chances of winning, as it makes it likely ( in his opinion ) that Biden will be replaced as the candidate for the Democrats and that anyone who can string a decent response together will shed Trump. Trump beat Hillary Clinton who had massive support from the US elite and various deep state agencies. She also had a boost as the first female president. The problem is that the US political system is so corrupt it will be very hard to find a "decent" candidate. But I totally agree the idea that Biden should run for another term as president is beyond belief - I am surprised he was a candidate last time and I have suspected there is a hidden reason why he was made the president of the US in the first place, and it is not just because he will do whatever the ruling elite tell him to do (which Trump will not) The fact that Trump is your men does not surprise anyone here. Anyone who thinks Trump should run anything must be insane . The discussion alone about Trump is already wrong on every level . We understand that a win for Trump will make your boss happy and few rubles more for you
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Jun 30, 2024 12:09:40 GMT
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Post by adrianc on Jun 30, 2024 12:09:40 GMT
As for decent candidates on the left I would say RFK is better than most Srsly? The HIV-denying anti-vaxxer who says Covid is caused by 5G and part of a Jewish conspiracy...? You do know she's actually standing? Again... 2012 - 0.3% of the vote 2016 - 1.1% of the vote
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 30, 2024 12:51:46 GMT
Biden may be losing it, but Trump will be older than Biden is now at the end of the next term. And Trump seems to wander and repeat himself endlessly now, how will he be in a few years time?
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Jun 30, 2024 13:03:13 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jun 30, 2024 13:03:13 GMT
Biden may be losing it, but Trump will be older than Biden is now at the end of the next term. And Trump seems to wander and repeat himself endlessly now, how will he be in a few years time?<crescendo starts quietly> ".....and look. I don't care what he says. If he doesn't back down we go to WAR. WE NUKE THE B*STARDS. DO YOU HERE ME? ? ALL SILOS, ALL SUBS, ALL PLANES. LETS GET TO THE SITUATION ROOM AND DO IT NOW!!!!!!! Lets hope not anyway....
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Jun 30, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Jun 30, 2024 15:14:57 GMT
As for decent candidates on the left I would say RFK is better than most Srsly? The HIV-denying anti-vaxxer who says Covid is caused by 5G and part of a Jewish conspiracy...? You do know she's actually standing? Again... 2012 - 0.3% of the vote 2016 - 1.1% of the vote I never said RFK was perfect just that he would be better than say Biden or Hillary. I am aware Jill Stein is standing I am saying she would make a better candidate as the Democratic Candidate than say Biden in my opinion.
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Jun 30, 2024 17:05:18 GMT
Post by Greenwood2 on Jun 30, 2024 17:05:18 GMT
Biden may be losing it, but Trump will be older than Biden is now at the end of the next term. And Trump seems to wander and repeat himself endlessly now, how will he be in a few years time?<crescendo starts quietly> ".....and look. I don't care what he says. If he doesn't back down we go to WAR. WE NUKE THE B*STARDS. DO YOU HERE ME? ? ALL SILOS, ALL SUBS, ALL PLANES. LETS GET TO THE SITUATION ROOM AND DO IT NOW!!!!!!! Lets hope not anyway.... Was this total agreement, total disagreement or I don't know... Or just random?
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 1, 2024 15:49:09 GMT
I see the Supreme Court has now ruled that Presidents do have immunity from prosecution for official actions within the boundaries of their office but not for those carried out in a personal or private manner.
Zero chance of the uprising charges coming to trial before the election
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