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Jul 4, 2024 19:11:09 GMT
Post by overthehill on Jul 4, 2024 19:11:09 GMT
Election boost for Donald Trump and his sick supporters
except that it was concluded that it was an entirely fabricated story.
Oh look entirely fabricated with an official court document...
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Jul 4, 2024 19:34:23 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jul 4, 2024 19:34:23 GMT
I just don't understand why anyone would want to spread stuff that is clearly false unless perhaps they are:a/ directly involved b/ have no morals but then the same is true of Trump himself right ? I mean he regularly 'trumpets' complete falsehoods as if they are truth. And encourages his acolytes to do the same. But yet you are a self proclaimed fan of Trump, so your lack of understanding clearly isn't putting you off him ? Or is it because he actually does tick both a) and b) mean you do understand and are therefore OK with it ? No I am not. <waits for a quote I made some weeks or months ago that does not confirm this...> Edit: But why do it on this forum? There's only 3 people and a dog reading this so why bother to annoy with clearly false info? Why not do it somewhere where at least hundreds might read it ?
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Post by ilmoro on Jul 4, 2024 19:40:35 GMT
except that it was concluded that it was an entirely fabricated story.
Oh look entirely fabricated with an official court document...
The story isnt fabricated, the allegation may well be. Yes, someone filed a claim and it was dismissed, they a had a few more goes which were either dismissed or withdrawn.
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Trump
Jul 4, 2024 19:49:20 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 4, 2024 19:49:20 GMT
except that it was concluded that it was an entirely fabricated story.
Oh look entirely fabricated with an official court document...
I didn't say the court document was fabricated. It isn't. The allegation was concluded as being a fabricated story. The original tweet had the court record, so there was no doubt on that. the other obvious sense check here is: if the allegation had been shown to be true, or even considered to have a decent probability of truth, how come it hasn't come out before ? After all, that court document goes back to 2016. It wasn't exactly going to not have been previously known about.
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Trump
Jul 4, 2024 20:33:19 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 4, 2024 20:33:19 GMT
but then the same is true of Trump himself right ? I mean he regularly 'trumpets' complete falsehoods as if they are truth. And encourages his acolytes to do the same. But yet you are a self proclaimed fan of Trump, so your lack of understanding clearly isn't putting you off him ? Or is it because he actually does tick both a) and b) mean you do understand and are therefore OK with it ? No I am not. <waits for a quote I made some weeks or months ago that does not confirm this...> Edit: But why do it on this forum? There's only 3 people and a dog reading this so why bother to annoy with clearly false info? Why not do it somewhere where at least hundreds might read it ? sorry, not trying to annoy. I'm pointing out what I believe to be a statement of fact. You have said numerous times you want Trump to be elected, even if for specific reasons. It is a statement of fact that he regularly spouts untruths. It is I agree a matter of opinion, but backed by evidence, that he ticks both those boxes - which you said would need at least one to be true to understand cause. The logical conclusion then flows that you are OK with his having those traits and still supporting him. I'm not sure what of the above one can argue against. You might disagree with the specific word "fan", in which case replace with "have a preference for" or "a liking of" or "wish to hold high office" etc. Or replace with a single word recognised synonym such as "supporter" or "backer", which fit the intended meaning as well.
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Jul 4, 2024 20:42:51 GMT
Post by michaelc on Jul 4, 2024 20:42:51 GMT
No I am not. <waits for a quote I made some weeks or months ago that does not confirm this...> Edit: But why do it on this forum? There's only 3 people and a dog reading this so why bother to annoy with clearly false info? Why not do it somewhere where at least hundreds might read it ? sorry, not trying to annoy. I'm pointing out what I believe to be a statement of fact. You have said numerous times you want Trump to be elected, even if for specific reasons. It is a statement of fact that he regularly spouts untruths. It is I agree a matter of opinion, but backed by evidence, that he ticks both those boxes - which you said would need at least one to be true to understand cause. The logical conclusion then flows that you are OK with his having those traits and still supporting him. I'm not sure what of the above one can argue against. You might disagree with the specific word "fan", in which case replace with "have a preference for" or "a liking of" or "wish to hold high office" etc. Or replace with a single word recognised synonym such as "supporter" or "backer", which fit the intended meaning as well. No probs. Yes I want him to be elected. No I am not a "self proclaimed fan" of his. Hope that's clear.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 12, 2024 7:17:16 GMT
Surely Biden has to step down now...
Confusing Zelensky with Putin, Harris with Trump?
The issue isn't that he can be lucid some/most of the time. The issue is that he clearly isn't all of the time. Yes, he's had a long hard couple of days, he's tired, etc etc... That's the bloody job. The questions about his condition are not about how he is now, but about where this is going over the next four years.
I mean, if he does insist on standing, then clearly it's still better to have a fundamentally decent but confused bloke surrounded by capable advisers; compared to a narcissistic megalomaniac criminal surrounded by the deeply unethical... But can't we do better?
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 12, 2024 7:41:17 GMT
And Trump wanders off topic and repeats himself endlessly, and he's not much younger than Biden, and will be the oldest president ever elected, if he wins. I saw him recently walking down the stairs from a plane hanging onto the rail and looking every bit as likely to fall as Biden. A choice between two old blokes past their primes, to put it mildly.
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Post by adrianc on Jul 12, 2024 9:41:02 GMT
And Trump wanders off topic and repeats himself endlessly, and he's not much younger than Biden, and will be the oldest president ever elected, if he wins. I saw him recently walking down the stairs from a plane hanging onto the rail and looking every bit as likely to fall as Biden. A choice between two old blokes past their primes, to put it mildly. Oh, absolutely. Don't forget obesity and abysmal diet. The chances of Biden surviving the term (physically) are WAY higher than Trump... But the Trumpkins see right through that - and they've managed to weaponise age and infirmity against Biden. "A lie is around the world before the truth has its boots on"And, if one or both is likely to fail to reach the end of the term - mentally or physically - consider, also, the relative merits of VPs. The main objection to Harris is her gender and ethnicity. Trump's likely picks, otoh... <whimper> www.politico.com/news/2024/07/10/trump-vp-hopefuls-00167285
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Jul 12, 2024 9:47:57 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Jul 12, 2024 9:47:57 GMT
Surely Biden has to step down now... Confusing Zelensky with Putin, Harris with Trump? The issue isn't that he can be lucid some/most of the time. The issue is that he clearly isn't all of the time. Yes, he's had a long hard couple of days, he's tired, etc etc... That's the bloody job. The questions about his condition are not about how he is now, but about where this is going over the next four years. I mean, if he does insist on standing, then clearly it's still better to have a fundamentally decent but confused bloke surrounded by capable advisers; compared to a narcissistic megalomaniac criminal surrounded by the deeply unethical... But can't we do better? I had that conversation - online - with a US former colleague and kind of friend after the debate.. He was essentially papering over the cracks of Biden's performance. My view that ardent Biden supporters were in danger of being a bit 'Biden cultist' and not seeing the reality didn't go down well.
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Jul 12, 2024 9:56:28 GMT
Post by keitha on Jul 12, 2024 9:56:28 GMT
And Trump wanders off topic and repeats himself endlessly, and he's not much younger than Biden, and will be the oldest president ever elected, if he wins. I saw him recently walking down the stairs from a plane hanging onto the rail and looking every bit as likely to fall as Biden. A choice between two old blokes past their primes, to put it mildly. Oh, absolutely. But the Trumpkins see right through that - and they've managed to weaponise age and infirmity against Biden. "A lie is around the world before the truth has its boots on"a Terry Pratchett quote ? "A lie can run round the world before the truth has got its boots on" Moist in the Truth on a serious point if you were testing someone for cognitive impairment and asked who is the Vice President of the USA and they answered "Donald Trump" you'd score them lower than someone who stumbled over the answer but got it right or nearly right. I mean getting the sex, colour and party of vice president wrong is pretty damming
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Jul 12, 2024 10:07:52 GMT
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Post by benaj on Jul 12, 2024 10:07:52 GMT
Well, what about Jimmy Carter? He’s still alive, aged 99, probably the longest alive ex world leader. May be Trump or Biden could live beyond 100 years and capable to lead with reversing age technology 🤣
Sir Tony could join those great ones when his time comes, he’s 71 atm.
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Jul 12, 2024 10:18:56 GMT
Post by adrianc on Jul 12, 2024 10:18:56 GMT
Oh, absolutely. But the Trumpkins see right through that - and they've managed to weaponise age and infirmity against Biden. "A lie is around the world before the truth has its boots on"a Terry Pratchett quote ? Mark Twain, allegedly, but probably far older. Also attributed to Churchill and to a 19th century Baptist preacher, Charles Sturgeon. Even then, it was probably not original.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 12, 2024 15:24:30 GMT
"Here's the leader of Ukraine, President Putin" is such a catastrophic soundbite that I don't think there can be any recovery. Biden had the chance to hand over the reigns after one term and be seen as a wise and honourable elder statesman. He' s in danger of trashing that. Time to go, Joe.
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Jul 12, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
Post by k6 on Jul 12, 2024 16:48:37 GMT
"Here's the leader of Ukraine, President Putin" is such a catastrophic soundbite that I don't think there can be any recovery. Biden had the chance to hand over the reigns after one term and be seen as a wise and honourable elder statesman. He' s in danger of trashing that. Time to go, Joe. All those slips of the tongue so heavily bringing up, such a trivial matter compering to what this guy in such an age is achieving . I'm half his age and I make many mistakes like this . This man spends all days with specific words, related to current events, on his mouth . Those silly mistakes means nothing, at least for me . They will be brough up to light and exaggerated for obvious reasons . Judging him based on those little slips have no sense whatsoever
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