baboonery
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Sept 12, 2024 19:03:46 GMT
Post by baboonery on Sept 12, 2024 19:03:46 GMT
Wohooo! Looks like he's opening up a bit of a gap in the betting exchanges. 1.95 to 2.14 now. What are the figures post debate?
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michaelc
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Post by michaelc on Sept 12, 2024 19:26:34 GMT
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agent69
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Sept 12, 2024 20:05:05 GMT
Post by agent69 on Sept 12, 2024 20:05:05 GMT
Looks like Tango man is running scared
Donald Trump says he will not debate Kamala Harris again, days after the pair's first showdown in Philadelphia on Tuesday
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Sept 12, 2024 22:07:21 GMT
Looks like Tango man is running scared
Donald Trump says he will not debate Kamala Harris again, days after the pair's first showdown in Philadelphia on Tuesday
He's not scared. There's no point, because he won so bigly. The bigliest. Everybody said so. Except the cats and dogs of Springfield, because the illegal aliens had eaten them.
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angrysaveruk
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Sept 13, 2024 8:30:56 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Sept 13, 2024 8:30:56 GMT
If I had to bet on it I would put my money on Kamala, but it is going to be close and might very well depend on events between now and election day.
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Sept 13, 2024 8:45:43 GMT
Post by bracknellboy on Sept 13, 2024 8:45:43 GMT
If I had to bet on it I would put my money on Kamala, but it is going to be close and might very well depend on events between now and election day.*will depend on events Even if the final numbers are precisely the same as current poll numbers, the outcome will still have been dependent on events between now and then. Right now I think Trump is still marginally the most likely. It will all be decided by a remarkably small number of states and voters. Its all in the swing states, stupid. The demographics favour the Republicans compared with national level poll numbers. It's likely to need a larger gap in the national poll numbers for KH to have a reasonable expectation of pulling sufficient of the swing states over.
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 13, 2024 12:23:02 GMT
Looks like Tango man is running scared
Donald Trump says he will not debate Kamala Harris again, days after the pair's first showdown in Philadelphia on Tuesday
He's not scared. There's no point, because he won so bigly. The bigliest. Everybody said so. Except the cats and dogs of Springfield, because the illegal aliens had eaten them. Interesting take on the head-to-head debate from a British youtuber. <10 mins long if you skip through his tedious self-publicity bit... www.youtube.com/watch?v=KIL3Ka3BS0oHe and others are suggesting the ABC moderators were heavily biased towards Kamala Harris. One points out that Dana Walden, the co-chairman of Disney (who owns ABC), is a personal friend of Harris. It seems their two husbands have been friends for 40 years and the Waldens introduced Harris to her husband. So it's suggested that ABC fact checked Trump many times while ignoring and accepting everything Harris said. Obviously this will all be dismissed as conspiracy theory, but it's perhaps not surprising that Trump refuses to be stitched up again by holding further debate.
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Sept 13, 2024 12:23:38 GMT
Post by captainconfident on Sept 13, 2024 12:23:38 GMT
A surprise in a single non swing state like Florida or Texas, and there are no swing states anymore.
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adrianc
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Sept 13, 2024 16:57:41 GMT
Post by adrianc on Sept 13, 2024 16:57:41 GMT
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Post by keitha on Sept 13, 2024 17:14:56 GMT
Ah but they should fact check both equally, and at the end of the debate you get an answer Kamala Harris made 15 claims of which 14 were true and 1 untrue, Donald Trump made 23 claims of which 24 were false ( the 24th was the claim in the green room afterwards that all his claims were true). It sometimes scares me that I think Trump believes some of the lies he tells.
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Post by bernythedolt on Sept 13, 2024 17:28:53 GMT
One person? That factcheck seems more reasonably balanced and finds fault on both sides. The YouTube clip, the commentators within it and the public comments below it, by all accounts, believe the ABC moderators only picked up the half-truths spouted by Trump, and ignored those by Harris. It hardly sounds unbiased when the (in effect) owner of ABC is best pals with one of the two combatants they are supposed to be moderating. Like others, I'm surprised Trump's team ever agreed to them hosting it.
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Sept 13, 2024 21:38:07 GMT
Post by adrianc on Sept 13, 2024 21:38:07 GMT
One person? That factcheck seems more reasonably balanced and finds fault on both sides. The YouTube clip, the commentators within it and the public comments below it, by all accounts, believe the ABC moderators only picked up the half-truths spouted by Trump, and ignored those by Harris. Well, let's look down the headline... T - eating pets. Utter fabricated guff. H - sales tax. High-end third-party estimate. T - tariffs. Wrong. T - Ukraine. Wrong. H - highest unemployment on handover. Wrong. H+T - manufacturing. Neither inaccurate but both cherry-picking. T - migration. Wrong. T - everybody wanted to end Roe v Wade. Wrong. T - abortion post-birth. Stark-staring hatstand. H - T wants abortion ban. T denies plans. H - tie T to Project 2025. T denies links. H - T had "one of highest" trade deficits. Biden higher, but no mention of where on scale. T - cheated out of 2020. Codswallop. T - H wants to ban fracking. Has said either way (is that an actual POLICY point? Crikey!) H - T tax cut. Figure mildly debatable. T - H wants to take away everybody's guns. Cloud cuckoo. T - no inflation under me. Wrongliest. T - saved affordable care. Actually tried to repeal. T - crime higher than ever, FBI are lying. Actually voluntary stats from more cities than previously. T - Biden lied about jobs. Actually stat measure change. T - greatest economy. Ha. H - T wants to be dictator. T says was joking when he said that. T - H was border czar. Nope. T - Afghan equipment. Nope. So, yeh, take your pick on how that all stacks up... I make it H got one outright wrong, T got 15 (including some absolute scorching fabricated whoppers). There were a few debatables and "depends how you pick the figures" on both sides, with Trump coming up with a couple of "who, me?" to round it off. Never mind the "eating pets" guff, who would seriously launch that the "terminations after birth" line with a straight face? The moderation line that they're complaining about is... "“You can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia,” Trump said. “He said ‘the baby will be born, and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we’ll execute the baby.’ ”Linsey Davis of ABC News, one of the debate’s moderators, responded with a fact check: “There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born.”edition.cnn.com/2024/09/12/health/trump-abortion-after-birth/index.htmlWhat's controversial about a simple statement of fact? There is indeed no state that allows babies to be killed post-birth. Reality - "It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia (not West Virginia) Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019....Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”"
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Sept 13, 2024 23:23:19 GMT
Post by bernythedolt on Sept 13, 2024 23:23:19 GMT
One person? That factcheck seems more reasonably balanced and finds fault on both sides. The YouTube clip, the commentators within it and the public comments below it, by all accounts, believe the ABC moderators only picked up the half-truths spouted by Trump, and ignored those by Harris. Well, let's look down the headline... T - eating pets. Utter fabricated guff. H - sales tax. High-end third-party estimate. T - tariffs. Wrong. T - Ukraine. Wrong. H - highest unemployment on handover. Wrong. H+T - manufacturing. Neither inaccurate but both cherry-picking. T - migration. Wrong. T - everybody wanted to end Roe v Wade. Wrong. T - abortion post-birth. Stark-staring hatstand. H - T wants abortion ban. T denies plans. H - tie T to Project 2025. T denies links. H - T had "one of highest" trade deficits. Biden higher, but no mention of where on scale. T - cheated out of 2020. Codswallop. T - H wants to ban fracking. Has said either way (is that an actual POLICY point? Crikey!) H - T tax cut. Figure mildly debatable. T - H wants to take away everybody's guns. Cloud cuckoo. T - no inflation under me. Wrongliest. T - saved affordable care. Actually tried to repeal. T - crime higher than ever, FBI are lying. Actually voluntary stats from more cities than previously. T - Biden lied about jobs. Actually stat measure change. T - greatest economy. Ha. H - T wants to be dictator. T says was joking when he said that. T - H was border czar. Nope. T - Afghan equipment. Nope. So, yeh, take your pick on how that all stacks up... I make it H got one outright wrong, T got 15 (including some absolute scorching fabricated whoppers). There were a few debatables and "depends how you pick the figures" on both sides, with Trump coming up with a couple of "who, me?" to round it off. Never mind the "eating pets" guff, who would seriously launch that the "terminations after birth" line with a straight face? The moderation line that they're complaining about is... "“You can look at the governor of West Virginia, the previous governor of West Virginia,” Trump said. “He said ‘the baby will be born, and we will decide what to do with the baby. In other words, we’ll execute the baby.’ ”Linsey Davis of ABC News, one of the debate’s moderators, responded with a fact check: “There is no state in this country where it is legal to kill a baby after it’s born.”edition.cnn.com/2024/09/12/health/trump-abortion-after-birth/index.htmlWhat's controversial about a simple statement of fact? There is indeed no state that allows babies to be killed post-birth. Reality - "It appears to stem from comments made by former Virginia (not West Virginia) Gov. Ralph Northam, a Democrat and pediatric neurologist, in an interview with Washington, DC, radio station WTOP in 2019....Northam noted that abortions in the third trimester of pregnancy are “done in cases where there may be severe deformities, there may be a fetus that’s nonviable. So in this particular example, if a mother is in labor, I can tell you exactly what would happen: The infant would be delivered; the infant would be kept comfortable; the infant would be resuscitated, if that’s what the mother and the family desired. And then a discussion would ensue between the physicians and the mother.”"And how many of those mistakes/lies/inaccuracies was Harris called out for by the moderators exactly? Not one, according to the clip. Rather than outright lies here, I personally believe, at least in some cases, Trump exaggerates, he hasn't entirely mastered the topic so ends up spouting half-truths and laying himself open to ridicule. Taking a couple of your examples:- T - H wants to take away everybody's guns. Cloud cuckoo.
Harris is on record saying she would compulsorily buy back certain weapons, but has more recently stepped back on that. Why her U-turn? I don't think that's clear. Far from cloud cuckoo, though, you can surely see there is an element of truth in Trump's claim? It's not completely outrageous - certainly not cloud cuckoo - and if gun ownership is very important to you as a voter, he's right to point out the potential attack on your existing rights. Ok, "everybody's guns" is one of his silly exaggerations, but there is still a nugget of truth in there. The moderators and their instantaneous fact checking don't get under the surface like this, they only see black and white, so Trump "chalks up another lie" on something of a technicality. T - no inflation under me. Wrongliest.
Again, he was largely right, but exaggerated too far. Inflation under his watch was consistently low, and way below the figure under Biden's tenure. Ok, it wasn't zero as he claimed and Biden's wasn't quite the highest ever on record as he suggested it * might* be, but the tenor of his assertion was correct, if not the precise detail. But again, it gets chalked up as another Trump lie. I see him cast in the same mould as Boris, not having full mastery of his facts, a bit of a blusterer, thus making it easy for others to pick holes in his story, even if it does contain a nugget of truth. T - abortion post-birth. Stark-staring hatstand.From your final para, resuscitated if that's what the mother [...] desired.... And if the mother doesn't? The infant is allowed to die, post-birth. This, I believe, is what Trump was referring to when he questioned Harris on abortions in the 8th month, 7th month, 9th month, "or even after birth". It sounds ridiculous taken out of context as you and many others automatically like to do. Do you honestly think Trump is stupid enough to believe a foetus can be aborted post-birth? Or do the Trump haters automatically lock onto his unfortunate layman's turn of phrase in their disingenuous way to ridicule the actual message he was trying to get across? Don't get me wrong, I don't particularly like the man, but I do like to see fair play.
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Sept 14, 2024 6:27:41 GMT
Post by adrianc on Sept 14, 2024 6:27:41 GMT
Taking a couple of your examples:- Not my examples. The bullet points from that factchecker. Can you see the huge difference between "take away everybody's guns" and "buy back automatic assault rifles"? Not even close. Babies with birth-defects so severe they cannot live. And if the mother doesn't want them resuscitated, they won't be resuscitated. RESUSCITATED. Healthy babies don't need resuscitation in the first place.
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Sept 14, 2024 7:03:26 GMT
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Post by benaj on Sept 14, 2024 7:03:26 GMT
At one point, i thought i saw a bunch of Head and Tails. 😅
let’s keep flipping the coin until 4th November
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