keitha
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Post by keitha on Jul 13, 2024 11:37:12 GMT
is it just me or is anyone else seeing a huge rise in discarded McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc wrappers at the side of the road.
Another absurdity a friend who is a farmer found a tipper load of rubble and other general household waste in the entrance to one of his fields this week. So he rings the council, because it's on his land they will charge him to remove it, He reluctantly agreed, the next day he gets a call back the guys sent to do the job have found some asbestos sheets in among the waste, So they have covered the pile with a tarpaulin. he has been told that the charge will now be several thousand pounds as the material will have to be loaded by hand rather than using a grab to avoid damaging the asbestos sheets. It's a nonsense that someone can dump stuff on your land and you have to pay the cost of cleaning it up.
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Post by iRobot on Jul 13, 2024 12:05:51 GMT
is it just me or is anyone else seeing a huge rise in discarded McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc wrappers at the side of the road Our nearest 'McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc' are ~25 miles away, so - specifically those - no. As for litter generally we have very little. Most litter will come from recycling events; over stuffed containers, weather or animal disturbed containers and the very occasional spillage by the recycling operatives (who, in fairness, are pretty good at cleaning up - both after themselves and any 'overflow' they might encounter.) Anything else that crops up is often dealt with by home and business owners. Pictures of flagrant offences (some during and some after the event) are often put up on the town's social media pages - mostly dog-owners not clearing up after their canine wards, but even they are a rarity. 'Framing-and-shaming' is a pretty powerful tool in this community. ('Framing' as in 'a well-framed photo'; not the malicious assertion of wrong-doing against an innocent party!) Given this is a coastal location and something of a holiday destination (partly because of the absence of 'McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc'! ) litter isn't a problem which, I think, is due in equal part to the mentality of visitors and residents.
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Post by keitha on Jul 13, 2024 14:36:08 GMT
Different areas different mentalities.
We a have a piece of land that slopes steeply between 2 roads near me regularly locals dump grass cuttings, hedge clippings, Christmas trees etc, but more recently I've seen it used to dump old bikes, Prams/pushchairs and even a 3 piece suite, the culprits either don't realise that such activities add to everyone's council tax or they just don't care.
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Post by captainconfident on Jul 13, 2024 18:53:05 GMT
There was an interesting psychology experiment by the University of Groningen, where they strewed some litter in a triangle of grass in the city and filmed it for a week. People added to the rubbish as they walked past. Then they scrupulously cleaned it and filmed it for another week, nothing! Not a scrap of litter dropped.
Now, a few months ago Gent City Council announced they were leaving some parts if their parks uncleaned, to show the public how badly behaved they were and to demonstrate the importance if the parks cleaning department. And I thought, you have not understood human nature as demonstrated by the Dutch.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 13, 2024 19:18:20 GMT
20 years ago if I had any rubbish I'd take it to the tip. I didn't need to make an appointment. I didn't need to take my driving licence. I didn't need to pay for the odd bit of plasterboard or bathroom tile. I could use any tip I liked in any borough. I didn't need to drive round the site several times as I unloaded different materials into different containers.
In my view, only the last of those is probably acceptable as we move to recycling.
All of them contribute severely to the likelihood of someone dumping a couple of bags of rubble or rubbish and/or paying someone unlicenced to take it away (and dump it on mass for them).
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Post by bernythedolt on Jul 13, 2024 19:31:00 GMT
It's always struck me as daft that the council tip charges the trades so punitively to dispose of their rubbish. It incentivises illegal fly-tipping and the council (i.e. taxpayers) then pick up a huge bill elsewhere instead.
The rubbish has to go somewhere. If they removed the charges and encouraged traders to drop off at the tip, they would halve fly-tipping overnight, I would wager. I suspect the overall annual charge to council tax payers wouldn't be far different either.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 13, 2024 20:24:22 GMT
20 years ago if I had any rubbish I'd take it to the tip. I didn't need to make an appointment. I didn't need to take my driving licence. I didn't need to pay for the odd bit of plasterboard or bathroom tile. I could use any tip I liked in any borough. I didn't need to drive round the site several times as I unloaded different materials into different containers. In my view, only the last of those is probably acceptable as we move to recycling. All of them contribute severely to the likelihood of someone dumping a couple of bags of rubble or rubbish and/or paying someone unlicenced to take it away (and dump it on mass for them).a complaint - or set of complaints - that is often made on the local social media. And frankly, I think none of the most frequent moans stand up to any real scrutiny or analysis. Fly tipping is a real scourge. But at its root is anti-social behaviours and selfishness: the idea that my **** is someone else's problem not mine. 1. Appointments. Are people really so lazy or entitled that they think making an appointment in advance is such a chore? Or that they should have the right to turn up at any time ? The reality here is that appointments are freely available and easily booked. I just checked, at 20:35 on a Saturday. I can book every half hour time slot from 08:00 to 18:30 for tomorrow, Sunday. One of the busiest days for residents to go to the tip. And typically you can book during the day for about 2-3 hours ahead. Certainly half a day ahead. And that has been true ever since the major covid restrictions were lifted. Of course it was different during Covid, but everything was different. Why on earth would anyone want to have the "privilege" to go to the tip on a whim to sit in a Queue for half an hour (with their engine idling over) in preference to booking a slot and having no more than a few minutes queuing. And even if they do prefer, why should it be indulged and treated as if its some form of right? 2. Proving you are a resident. Ok, it might be a little bit of a pain. But it doesn't need to be a driving license. Its some proof of address. I mean what is the big deal ? Most people I know have a DL with them permanently anyway? Are we believing that people are not booking and going to the tip because taking proof of address is too much hassle? ? 3. Need to pay for the odd bit of plasterboard or bathroom tile. This is the one bit I think might actually trigger someone to dump. But you still have to be a selfish entitled **** who thinks its OK to dump your **** into the environment before you'd do it. And anyway, charges were removed, nationally, from start of January (and I think since December last year in this locale*). The issue with fly tipping is: - People who simply can't be a****d to go to the tip, possibly because they think its too much effort to spend 60 seconds booking a slot - People who don't have transport, nor sense of good neighbour behaviour, and will get someone to take their stuff as long as its at the cheapest possible price. Knowing full well, and not caring, it will be driven 2 miles and dumped in a lane. Or simply drag their old sofa out the house and leave it in a street just because why wouldn't you? - "commercial" people who will fly tip to avoid commercial tip fees. Oh, and also their anti social customers who don't care to check they have a waste license etc., because they don't care as long as its dumped on someone else's doorstep and the job is at the cheapest possible price. Fly tipping makes me angry. Making excuses/justifications for what is fundamentally selfish anti social behaviour makes me just as angry. *up to 100 litres of DIY waste in any single visit, and up to 4 such drops in any 4 week period.
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Post by michaelc on Jul 13, 2024 20:36:00 GMT
You're funny BB. I do have to wonder whether you're playing a caricature or you genuinely do harbour these grumpy-old-man opinions. I think the latter as the use of the word "entitled" tends to give it away. No offence intended whatsoever of course.
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Post by bracknellboy on Jul 13, 2024 20:39:09 GMT
It's always struck me as daft that the council tip charges the trades so punitively to dispose of their rubbish. It incentivises illegal fly-tipping and the council (i.e. taxpayers) then pick up a huge bill elsewhere instead. The rubbish has to go somewhere. If they removed the charges and encouraged traders to drop off at the tip, they would halve fly-tipping overnight, I would wager. I suspect the overall annual charge to council tax payers wouldn't be far different either. Reputable tradespeople are not going to fly tip, in the most part. Its the disreputable who will. And I'd surmise the disreputable are also 'incentivised' to fly tip simply because often it is going to be easier and quicker than going to a waste disposal centre. So while commercial charges might be a trigger for some fly tipping, I'm unconvinced as to how much difference it makes. Bottom line is that central government lays down significant charges for landfill. Councils therefore need to cover that. Logically, it is perfectly sane that commercial entities should be paying those charges and passing them on. It is not unreasonable that for an end customer part of the cost of say having your bathroom ripped out and replaced is the cost borne by society to dispose of your old one. Why should that specific element of the job be free at the "point of use". Your new bathroom isn't, so why is getting rid of your old one ? Of course, if the evidence really is that one thing is triggering another, and that the overall cost / benefit points to a different model, then fine. But I'd suggest that ought to be on the back of proper evidence, not 'gut feel'.
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Post by keitha on Jul 14, 2024 9:18:50 GMT
During Covid our tips were all shut yet the local "we clear rubbish" firms continued to operate no coincidence then that fly tipping went up. earlier this week there was a mattress dumped in a layby on the main road, from that layby to the tip is 3 miles or so and of course if it was from my village the tip is only a mile and a half or so.
one thing that does get me is if I go to visit my OH I pass a tip for a neighbouring borough ( right on boundary ) am I allowed to drop stuff am I heck
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Post by keitha on Jul 14, 2024 19:03:00 GMT
20 years ago if I had any rubbish I'd take it to the tip. I didn't need to make an appointment. I didn't need to take my driving licence. I didn't need to pay for the odd bit of plasterboard or bathroom tile. I could use any tip I liked in any borough. I didn't need to drive round the site several times as I unloaded different materials into different containers. In my view, only the last of those is probably acceptable as we move to recycling. All of them contribute severely to the likelihood of someone dumping a couple of bags of rubble or rubbish and/or paying someone unlicenced to take it away (and dump it on mass for them). A while back I was helping a fellow allotment holder take down a damaged greenhouse, where did I get told to put it by the guys at the tip, yep it went in landfill as there is no way to put anything bigger than a bottle into the glass recycling container, another stupidity is you cant put broken glass into home glass recycling despite the fact that you hear it smash as they tip it into the truck
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Post by Greenwood2 on Jul 15, 2024 9:28:52 GMT
20 years ago if I had any rubbish I'd take it to the tip. I didn't need to make an appointment. I didn't need to take my driving licence. I didn't need to pay for the odd bit of plasterboard or bathroom tile. I could use any tip I liked in any borough. I didn't need to drive round the site several times as I unloaded different materials into different containers. In my view, only the last of those is probably acceptable as we move to recycling. All of them contribute severely to the likelihood of someone dumping a couple of bags of rubble or rubbish and/or paying someone unlicenced to take it away (and dump it on mass for them). Ours don't do appointments any more, but it worked well. We do need proof you live in the area, it costs the council money to dispose of it and they don't want out of area stuff. Here you have an allowance for DIY waste, amounts to about 10 builders buckets worth, and you can get free licenses to dispose of various other items like baths and car tyres. We also have a shop where you can donate re-saleable items or if you are looking for something like a bike or lawnmower (lots of other stuff too). Usually only need to park once or twice, the skips for different items are not far apart.
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Post by mikeb on Jul 21, 2024 18:33:06 GMT
there is no way to put anything bigger than a bottle into the glass recycling container, another stupidity is you cant put broken glass into home glass recycling despite the fact that you hear it smash as they tip it into the truck On the first point -- I understand this is because they only want bottle glass (glass, bottle ... ah-har ...) in there, and other forms of glass (window glass e.g.) are considered contamination.
In the same way that some people hear "plastic recycling" of specific classes of food/drink container means "chuck your uPVC offcuts, old plant plastic pots and random plastic (s) in here too!"
Or "It says garden waste! This dog poo was in my garden, THEREFORE it is garden waste!" ...
Your second point is totally valid. Unless the operatives are expected to handle the contents of the bin (in which case pre-broken glass is a hazard) but then again, stop rooting about in the bins -- get on with emptying them!
The other daft one is where councils fine/ban people for not correctly separating their waste (paper/card in box A, plastic in box B, aluminium cans in box C ...) and then the collection vehicle takes the lot in one co-mingled load. Ummm... why separate?
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Post by adrianc on Jul 21, 2024 20:19:07 GMT
is it just me or is anyone else seeing a huge rise in discarded McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc wrappers at the side of the road Our nearest 'McDonalds, KFC, Burger king etc' are ~25 miles away, so - specifically those - no. Ours are 20 miles away. The increase when they reopened after lockdown was immediate. Landfill costs money. Local authorities have a legal duty to pay for doorstep domestic refuse disposal. Local authorities are skint as a direct result of a decade and a half of government policy. Fill in the blanks.
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Post by benaj on Jul 22, 2024 18:36:07 GMT
Well, pretty sure there weren’t 1670 Mcdonalds opened in the UK back in the 90s. I haven’t contributed much to the Mc / KFC / BK revenue in the last 5 years, but I see younger generation likes them since they are quick and cheap, it’s a shame they don’t care about littering. Let’s blame the take away and gov should tax takeaways make those corporations pay for cleaning up.
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