michaelc
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Aug 5, 2024 15:05:48 GMT
Post by michaelc on Aug 5, 2024 15:05:48 GMT
Hard to find positives in all of this but if there is one it is that large swathes of the working class have been educated to realise that our media is either government owned or controlled or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. Hopefully the middle class such as on this forum will catch on in time.  I don't understand this. I'm trying to parse it, and I'm really struggling. Are you saying that:- 1. Our media is either government controlled, or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. As a result of these riots the "working class" will realise this. The "middle class" don't currently realise this, but hopefully will soon. This realisation is a positive thing (in what way?). or 2. Large swathes of the "working class" have historically been educated to realise that our media is either government controlled, or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. This is correct, and as a result of these riots the "working class" will..."something unstated". The "middle class" don't currently realise something about "something unstated", but hopefully will soon. This realisation is a positive thing (in what way?). or 3. Our media is either government controlled, or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. As a result of these riots the "working class" will realise this. The "middle class" don't currently realise this, but hopefully will soon. This realisation is a negative thing (in what way?). or 4. Large swathes of the "working class" have historically been educated to realise that our media is either government controlled, or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. This is correct, and as a result of these riots the "working class" will..."something unstated". The "middle class" don't currently realise something about "something unstated", but hopefully will soon. This realisation is a negative thing (in what way?). or 5. This is "Disgusted from Tunbridge Wells", reporting on the shortcomings of the MSM, live from Kharkiv, Gaza, Mynamar, Pyongyang, Southport? I re-read it and it seems clear to me ? Should I have put a comma after the word "one" ? And I don't understand why a lot of your options talk about "historically educated" when I was talking about a possible positive - i.e. the positive being the realisation of many more people how our press and TV work. So possibly your number 1. arflbarflgptchat-beta054.6
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Aug 5, 2024 15:13:10 GMT
Post by registerme on Aug 5, 2024 15:13:10 GMT
So you're saying that as a result of these riots large swathes of "working class" will come to realise how the media works? That media has been... failing them in some way? That the middle class has yet to realise this? I still don't understand  . I really don't. This isn't me just being deliberately awkward. I used "historically" because you used the word educated. ie past tense. |
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Aug 5, 2024 15:17:36 GMT
Post by michaelc on Aug 5, 2024 15:17:36 GMT
So you're saying that as a result of these riots large swathes of "working class" will come to realise how the media works? That media has been... failing them in some way? That the middle class has yet to realise this? I still don't understand . I really don't. This isn't me just being deliberately awkward. I used "historically" because you used the word educated. ie past tense. Do you want me to try to explain why I think what I said was understandable or are you asking me to re-phrase it using different words?
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Aug 5, 2024 15:33:41 GMT
Post by registerme on Aug 5, 2024 15:33:41 GMT
So you're saying that as a result of these riots large swathes of "working class" will come to realise how the media works? That media has been... failing them in some way? That the middle class has yet to realise this? I still don't understand . I really don't. This isn't me just being deliberately awkward. I used "historically" because you used the word educated. ie past tense. Do you want me to try to explain why I think what I said was understandable or are you asking me to re-phrase it using different words? Please would you rephrase it using different words?
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keitha
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Aug 5, 2024 15:39:42 GMT
Post by keitha on Aug 5, 2024 15:39:42 GMT
Do you want me to try to explain why I think what I said was understandable or are you asking me to re-phrase it using different words? Please would you rephrase it using different words? I concur
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Aug 5, 2024 15:39:47 GMT
Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2024 15:39:47 GMT
Do you want me to try to explain why I think what I said was understandable or are you asking me to re-phrase it using different words? Please would you rephrase it using different words? I *think* what he's saying is "All media is biased in favour of the owner, but the middle classes are too thick to realise."
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Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 5, 2024 16:21:18 GMT
Hard to find positives in all of this but if there is one it is that large swathes of the working class have been educated to realise that our media is either government owned or controlled or is owned by a tiny group of very wealthy businessmen. Hopefully the middle class such as on this forum will catch on in time. I wouldnt hold your breath 
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Post by james100 on Aug 5, 2024 17:16:02 GMT
I'd be interested in a list of information sources which are considered to be credible alternatives to MSM, please. Specific to this issue or general (ideally both).
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Post by Badly Drawn Stickman on Aug 5, 2024 17:29:12 GMT
Please would you rephrase it using different words? I *think* what he's saying is "All media is biased in favour of the owner, but the middle classes are too thick to realise."Pretty ground breaking stuff. Has anybody told the upper class? I thought the class system stopped being relevant some time last century.......
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Aug 5, 2024 17:38:21 GMT
Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2024 17:38:21 GMT
I *think* what he's saying is "All media is biased in favour of the owner, but the middle classes are too thick to realise."Pretty ground breaking stuff. It's a revolutionary insight... Oh, I think they know. They own the papers and are the government, remember? The only people who ever mention it are those who proudly proclaim they're at the bottom and get irate if you point out they might not be.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2024 18:16:06 GMT
I gather the police in Rotherham (and likely other places) have found a good use of their time today included going round clothing shops in town to ask if anybody bought balaclavas yesterday, then asking to look at the CCTV. The buyers seem to have forgotten to change their tops... And, bingo, full facial imagery to match with the riot footage, and name from the debit card details. 400-odd arrested already across the country, more to come. Two dozen already been in front of courts. Making arrests in the full heat of the action is disruptive and difficult. Making them at leisure based on the video evidence is nice and easy. www.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/05/people-magistrates-courts-england-northern-ireland"The court heard that Carl Holliday, 30, was allegedly carrying a large piece of metal sheeting that he threw towards police lines during the disturbances.He was seen doing that four times in the space of seven minutes, the prosecutor Michael Embleton told the court.David Smith, representing Holliday, who pleaded guilty, said the violence was not politically motivated but due to “drinking extremely heavily”. The defendant saw the disorder on the streets and he joined it, Smith said."That's the best defence he can come up with? "I'm a randomly violent alcoholic"? |
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Aug 5, 2024 18:25:12 GMT
Post by angrysaveruk on Aug 5, 2024 18:25:12 GMT
400-odd arrested already across the country, more to come. Two dozen already been in front of courts. Making arrests in the full heat of the action is disruptive and difficult. Making them at leisure based on the video evidence is nice and easy. I suspect that Starmer will use his power to throw the book at the rioters and some of the scenes are pretty bad in my opinion such as the attempt to burn down the hotel. However there is a risk his reaction inflames the situation instead of quelling it. Anyone with any common sense knew Starmer had a totalitarian streak before he was in No 10, I guess we will see just how totalitarian he is now...
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Aug 5, 2024 18:27:32 GMT
Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2024 18:27:32 GMT
400-odd arrested already across the country, more to come. Two dozen already been in front of courts. Making arrests in the full heat of the action is disruptive and difficult. Making them at leisure based on the video evidence is nice and easy. I suspect that Starmer will use his power to throw the book at the rioters By that, I presume you mean "let the judicial system get on with prosecuting them under pre-existing legislation and sentencing guidelines for the crimes they've committed"?
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Aug 5, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
Post by agent69 on Aug 5, 2024 18:46:03 GMT
the violence was not politically motivated but due to “drinking extremely heavily”.
And apparently some of the rioters have suddenly developed serious mental health issues.
Meanwhile, Tommy Robinson has been 'sacked' by his British Muslim tax advisor after she accused him of instigating far-right race riots across the UK.
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Aug 5, 2024 19:53:47 GMT
Post by adrianc on Aug 5, 2024 19:53:47 GMT
I suspect that Starmer will use his power to throw the book at the rioters By that, I presume you mean "let the judicial system get on with prosecuting them under pre-existing legislation and sentencing guidelines for the crimes they've committed"? gave as an example the bin fire at the hotel. Deliberately setting fire to a large commercial bin, then pushing it towards a hotel where you know (or believe) people are inside... (and bear in mind the organiser of the Rotherham "protests" says that it's all the fault of those inside the hotel, for "provoking" them. While there's an argument for "attempted murder", I'd suggest the appropriate charge and therefore sentencing guidelines were: www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk/offences/crown-court/item/criminal-damage-arson-with-intent-to-endanger-life-or-reckless-as-to-whether-life-endangered/
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. I really don't. This isn't me just being deliberately awkward.
