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Post by moonraker on Aug 30, 2024 6:54:48 GMT
A smoking ban will create a bigger black hole in public finances But would save the NHS money in treating smoking-related illness.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 30, 2024 7:06:36 GMT
A smoking ban will create a bigger black hole in public finances But would save the NHS money in treating smoking-related illness. Maybe. But....given the current bans in place which forces it outside at pubs, I'm far from convinced that related secondary smoking is going to be meaningfully affected. I surmise the impact would be negligible. More likely it will drive a few smokers away from pubs, or most likely push them out into the streets rather than outdoor smoking areas. This is what happens already at pubs which don't have garden smoking areas.
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Post by benaj on Aug 30, 2024 7:09:02 GMT
TBF, the non smokers have choice to seat in a non smoking area in a pub. Just the hot weather makes it irresistible to sit outdoors
A win win solution would be a legalised enclosed smoking area indoors which people cannot inhale smoke from outside the enclosed area at all.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 30, 2024 7:20:32 GMT
A local watering hole (Lendy fans will recognise it) has already posted that they will never enforce any such ban.
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Post by registerme on Aug 30, 2024 7:34:12 GMT
I have a vested interest in this. Until 2014 I was a heavy smoker, getting through 30 a day if I didn't go out, and more if I did. I switched to vapes and haven't had a cigarette in a decade. That's, give or take, 130,000 cigarettes I haven't smoked, and probably on the order of £80k I haven't spent.
I also love the pub. Sadly it's already pretty marginal. I can buy a drinkable bottle of wine in Sainsburys for less than the cost of one pint in my local. I'd still go to the pub, on occasion, if they banned vaping in pub gardens, but I wouldn't go nearly so often, and I wouldn't spend nearly as much time (or money) there.
The industry is already struggling, I suspect this move, if enacted, would kill of many pubs. And that, in my view, would be a shame.
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Post by bracknellboy on Aug 30, 2024 7:52:14 GMT
I have a vested interest in this. Until 2014 I was a heavy smoker, getting through 30 a day if I didn't go out, and more if I did. I switched to vapes and haven't had a cigarette in a decade. That's, give or take, 130,000 cigarettes I haven't smoked, and probably on the order of £80k I haven't spent. I also love the pub. Sadly it's already pretty marginal. I can buy a drinkable bottle of wine in Sainsburys for less than the cost of one pint in my local. I'd still go to the pub, on occasion, if they banned vaping in pub gardens, but I wouldn't go nearly so often, and I wouldn't spend nearly as much time (or money) there. The industry is already struggling, I suspect this move, if enacted, would kill of many pubs. And that, in my view, would be a shame. either your concept of a drinkable bottle of wine is different to mine, or your local is particularly exorbitant  *Just joking.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 30, 2024 7:52:43 GMT
I can buy a drinkable bottle of wine in Sainsburys for less than the cost of one pint in my local. Really? Our nearest Sainsburys doesn't have much wine below £7 now - while a pint is £4-5ish round here. Even a 500ml bottle of the usual-local-default beer is £2 in JS, or 3-for-£6 in the Co-op (where you can usually find decent wine around £6). Did the disposable-vape ban ever actually happen? There was a lot of talk about it at the start of the year, then it seems to have withered once the election was called.
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Post by benaj on Aug 30, 2024 7:56:59 GMT
www.bmj.com/content/378/bmj-2021-065997🤔 how many smokers will be converted to vapers? Would legalised vaping solve the problems and reduce burden for running NHS? 0% nicotine sounds no harm no paper. I’m no smokers / vapers, I don’t have a clue. There are already a bunch of 0% alcohol beer / wines on the shelf. What could be next? Would the gov have a 12 step program for heavy smokers to join nicotine anonymous ?
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Post by benaj on Aug 30, 2024 8:03:32 GMT
I have a vested interest in this. Until 2014 I was a heavy smoker, getting through 30 a day if I didn't go out, and more if I did. I switched to vapes and haven't had a cigarette in a decade. That's, give or take, 130,000 cigarettes I haven't smoked, and probably on the order of £80k I haven't spent. I also love the pub. Sadly it's already pretty marginal. I can buy a drinkable bottle of wine in Sainsburys for less than the cost of one pint in my local. I'd still go to the pub, on occasion, if they banned vaping in pub gardens, but I wouldn't go nearly so often, and I wouldn't spend nearly as much time (or money) there. The industry is already struggling, I suspect this move, if enacted, would kill of many pubs. And that, in my view, would be a shame. either your concept of a drinkable bottle of wine is different to mine, or your local is particularly exorbitant *Just joking. Are we talking the same standard 75cl glass bottom or a tiny whiny one?
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Post by registerme on Aug 30, 2024 8:04:02 GMT
I can buy a drinkable bottle of wine in Sainsburys for less than the cost of one pint in my local. Really? Our nearest Sainsburys doesn't have much wine below £7 now - while a pint is £4-5ish round here. Even a 500ml bottle of the usual-local-default beer is £2 in JS, or 3-for-£6 in the Co-op (where you can usually find decent wine around £6). Did the disposable-vape ban ever actually happen? There was a lot of talk about it at the start of the year, then it seems to have withered once the election was called. There's normally a couple of bottles on offer sub seven quid that are drinkable, and there's a couple of Pinot Noirs that are often on offer that are quite nice. A pint of the regular IPA in my local costs £6.80. I don't think the disposable vape ban happened, and I think it should. And I think there needs to be a crackdown on shops selling vapes to children.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 30, 2024 8:08:52 GMT
A pint of the regular IPA in my local costs £6.80. Wah!
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Post by registerme on Aug 30, 2024 8:20:27 GMT
A pint of the regular IPA in my local costs £6.80. Wah! Some of the funkier "we've got a new one in, only one barrel..." type offerings are north of seven quid.
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Post by adrianc on Aug 30, 2024 8:23:09 GMT
Some of the funkier "we've got a new one in, only one barrel..." type offerings are north of seven quid. The pub in town that charges a fiver is regarded as an expensive tourist trap.
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Post by registerme on Aug 30, 2024 8:26:29 GMT
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Post by overthehill on Aug 30, 2024 8:40:27 GMT
A ban on the sale and supply of single-use vapes in Scotland is due to come into effect on 1 April 2025, under proposed legislation published today.
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