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Post by keitha on Sept 30, 2024 9:50:02 GMT
the archetypal British far right supporter is 40+, male ( often tattooed and overweight ) oaf.
yet looking at election results elsewhere in Europe it seems that it's the younger generation that support the right wing parties, what's more its often women.
There are those that claim it is the uneducated that support the far right. and in the UK it does tend to be those that didn't go to university. However across the rest of Europe Europe the educated classes tend to lean to the right,
Is this a sign that our educators are left wing and vice versa in Europe, or is it that in Europe the older generation have memories of the far right being in power and the 50 plus generation have an oral history of events, but the younger generation don't have the same exposure.
maybe some in the UK have confused anti right wing views, with a "I must dislike all foreigners". I know someone who didn't vote Labour at the last election despite being a "corbynite" because the candidate was an Asian woman !
In my limited experience The Dutch, Poles, and Greeks are the most racist people I meet, followed by the Welsh speaking Welsh, The Icelandic, and Scandinavian nations don't seem to notice colour at all.
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Post by Ace on Sept 30, 2024 10:04:10 GMT
That's spooky. I'm sat here reading the paper in utter despair at the rise of the far right, and was musing over the same thing as you.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 30, 2024 10:27:07 GMT
the archetypal British far right supporter is 40+, male ( often tattooed and overweight ) oaf. yet looking at election results elsewhere in Europe it seems that it's the younger generation that support the right wing parties, what's more its often women. There are those that claim it is the uneducated that support the far right. and in the UK it does tend to be those that didn't go to university. However across the rest of Europe Europe the educated classes tend to lean to the right, Is this a sign that our educators are left wing and vice versa in Europe, or is it that in Europe the older generation have memories of the far right being in power and the 50 plus generation have an oral history of events, but the younger generation don't have those same exposure.I don't think the UKs educators are particularly "left wing" per se. And even if they do lean that way a bit (and they probably do a bit), I really don't think that "educators" in this country (or indeed in most of 'free Europe') have much sway at all over the political leanings of pupils. Especially in this day and age with sooooooooooooo much information and debate being via a thing that sits in the palm of your hand. I think your commentary regarding the older generation in Europe may well be spot on. And in a sense it almost works the other way round for the UK: in the UK's case, the older generation are the ones who are more inclined to see things through the lens of "two world wars". But in our case that narrative is one of us bravely standing alone against johnny foreigner. The Dambusters, Battle of Britain and how "we won the war(s)" and all that. Fed for decades by a popular press that liked nothing more than to press those buttons along with other 'johnny foreigner' narratives (EU). Whereas in Europe, particularly Germany, it's one of how their country was either ravaged and destroyed as a consequence of the rise of their own far right parties, and how the man in the street was complicit in that (Germany, Austria, Italy etc.), or by that of their neighbours thanks to the same (much of the rest of Europe), or by combination of that and Stalinist Russia (Eastern Europe).
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Post by benaj on Sept 30, 2024 10:55:45 GMT
Okay, may be I am one of those “johnny” foreigners, non-white looking student when I studied in England 30 years ago.
I encountered numerous of racist’s behaviours outside school in south west England and a few bullies inside the school. Every single one of those are natives.
After living my life three decades in the UK, I feel lucky I am no longer surrounded by those racists and bullies. Let’s hope I don’t make more enemies IRL. 🤣
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Post by adrianc on Sept 30, 2024 10:56:00 GMT
In my limited experience ... Scandinavian nations don't seem to notice colour at all. Mmm. One of 'erself's Swedish family is definitely SD-leaning. She is anything but colour-blind. She'd fit very well with the Reform/UKIP/Yacketty-Lenin grouping here.
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Post by jonno on Sept 30, 2024 11:34:36 GMT
In my limited experience ... Scandinavian nations don't seem to notice colour at all. Mmm. One of 'erself's Swedish family is definitely SD-leaning. She is anything but colour-blind. She'd fit very well with the Reform/UKIP/Yacketty-Lenin grouping here. Not sure that's a scientifically representative sample  On the wider issue of the European "lurch" to the right, at the risk of opprobrium from some on here, I think Merkel's "open door policy" has been a significant factor in this.Such uncontrolled movement of so many people was bound to have implications for incumbent populations and governments.
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Post by panda on Sept 30, 2024 11:57:14 GMT
Mmm. One of 'erself's Swedish family is definitely SD-leaning. She is anything but colour-blind. She'd fit very well with the Reform/UKIP/Yacketty-Lenin grouping here. Not sure that's a scientifically representative sample On the wider issue of the European "lurch" to the right, at the risk of opprobrium from some on here, I think Merkel's "open door policy" has been a significant factor in this.Such uncontrolled movement of so many people was bound to have implications for incumbent populations and governments. It is easy for the elites to say we should take in people who have been displaced by conflict, and others in need (and we should morally) but they are not at the sharp end where the impact is felt. And that allows all sorts of unpleasant people to stir up trouble and promotes extreme politics.
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Post by keitha on Sept 30, 2024 12:41:53 GMT
I can remember a primary school in a very rural county, being pulled up by OFSTED for not celebrating Diwali, Chinese new year, Eid etc in its curriculum, obviously whoever wrote it up hadn't see the school < 30 pupils and every one white British, It may be different in London Manchester etc, but there are parts of the country that still have a very small or even non existent BAME presence.
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Post by benaj on Sept 30, 2024 12:58:49 GMT
One time I visited a primary school in London. 80% of the students there have African backgrounds. The school emphasises celebrating black history and put mostly black role models in hallways. IIRC, the school celebrate eid and christmas, but not other religious festivals.
Mind you, not 80% of the teachers have African backgrounds.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 30, 2024 13:52:20 GMT
I can remember a primary school in a very rural county, being pulled up by OFSTED for not celebrating Diwali, Chinese new year, Eid etc in its curriculum, obviously whoever wrote it up hadn't see the school < 30 pupils and every one white British, It may be different in London Manchester etc, but there are parts of the country that still have a very small or even non existent BAME presence. They are taught about other religions. Nothing wrong with that IMO
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Post by adrianc on Sept 30, 2024 13:55:10 GMT
I can remember a primary school in a very rural county, being pulled up by OFSTED for not celebrating Diwali, Chinese new year, Eid etc in its curriculum, obviously whoever wrote it up hadn't see the school < 30 pupils and every one white British, It may be different in London Manchester etc, but there are parts of the country that still have a very small or even non existent BAME presence. They are taught about other religions. Nothing wrong with that IMO Indeed. Teach all equally or teach none.
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Post by benaj on Sept 30, 2024 14:06:28 GMT
I can remember a primary school in a very rural county, being pulled up by OFSTED for not celebrating Diwali, Chinese new year, Eid etc in its curriculum, obviously whoever wrote it up hadn't see the school < 30 pupils and every one white British, It may be different in London Manchester etc, but there are parts of the country that still have a very small or even non existent BAME presence. They are taught about other religions. Nothing wrong with that IMO what about promoting only black role models where there are other ethnic groups in school? Speaking of teaching other religions in school, I learned there’s a school making religious studies as a compulsory GCSE subject. Is it really necessary for GCSE? It’s okay to teach various religions in KS1, KS2, KS3 curriculum, making religious studies for all GCSE students, I am not too keen on that.
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Post by michaelc on Sept 30, 2024 14:44:59 GMT
They are taught about other religions. Nothing wrong with that IMO Indeed. Teach all equally or teach none. I wouldn't go that far. I would expect attendees of C of E schools for example to experience a significant weighting towards Christianity whilst still learning about other faiths.
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Post by benaj on Sept 30, 2024 14:50:30 GMT
Indeed. Teach all equally or teach none. I wouldn't go that far. I would expect attendees of C of E schools for example to experience a significant weighting towards Christianity whilst still learning about other faiths. Quite right Mike. Not all religious studies are the same in the UK. Although the gov makes it clear gcse religious studies students must study two religions, it can be any two religions from the seven. Such as Catholicism and Christianity. The weight of the course can be 75/25 or 50/50 for two religions. However, it is the school choosing the topics for the students if they have to take the GCSE as a subject, unlike the religious freedom enjoyed by the british people here.
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Post by bracknellboy on Sept 30, 2024 15:16:32 GMT
Mmm. One of 'erself's Swedish family is definitely SD-leaning. She is anything but colour-blind. She'd fit very well with the Reform/UKIP/Yacketty-Lenin grouping here. Not sure that's a scientifically representative sample On the wider issue of the European "lurch" to the right, at the risk of opprobrium from some on here, I think Merkel's "open door policy" has been a significant factor in this.Such uncontrolled movement of so many people was bound to have implications for incumbent populations and governments. I agree with that. I was always utterly exasperated by the "pro-Brexit 'cos immigration" cohort. It was clear back then that much of Europe was going through a shift to a less tolerant attitude to immigration. Just some places faster than others. And that direction of travel was and is inevitably going to end up with an EU that would be less tolerant of immigration. And all that we would end up doing was checking the EU free trade baby out with their "immigration 'innit" bath water, ahead of when Europe itself would have to change. And in a way that wasn't going to even be effective in the interim (see Dublin agreement for instance)
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