niceguy37
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Post by niceguy37 on Feb 11, 2015 9:57:06 GMT
Would a "priority investment" flag on each loan solve this more elegantly? Targets for priority loans are reserved against the cash balance and only if there's anything left over will it be invested in other non-priority loans. This would be a big help, and is an excellent idea. Well done! It should be reasonably simple enough to flag some loans as "priority investments", and reserve a pool of cash for these loans. Whether you're wanting to keep a bit of cash on hand to snap up any hard-to-come-by older loans, or have your eye on a new loan soon to be drawdown, it will be a good way to ensure you get as much as you want, subject to availability.
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Post by pepperpot on Feb 11, 2015 10:25:57 GMT
Brand new loans would tend to be widely available for several days/weeks after the loan draws down, because they're widely distributed amongst many users, including some who will be reducing their target soon afterwards (e.g. for diversification, or because they change their mind, or they routinely buy more than they want long-term in order to get the first month interest but sell before the first repayment, or any number of other reasons). We obviously need a bit of history to have a better idea, but I'm not sure all new loans would be as widely available as sl75 suggests. No doubt a lot will depend on the size of the new loan. If it's huge, then there will be plenty of availability, but if it's small it might all go to targets set in advance and never show up in the Aftermarket again. Consider the old £260k JR loan (#8). I think I've had a target set for this loan ever since it was possible to set targets, yet I've never bought any of it -- not even mini-shrapnel! And I've never heard of anyone else who has managed to buy any part of this loan. Also had a target for #8 for a while and picked up a whole 0.01p a couple of months ago, I guess that must mean I'm lucky. I missed out on the drawdown of #150 due to having funds used up elsewhere and since then I've only racked up £5.87, so yes if I can ring fence funds for use at drawdown it would be useful.
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Post by Duane Dibley on Feb 11, 2015 11:38:41 GMT
I missed out on the drawdown of #150 due to having funds used up elsewhere and since then I've only racked up £5.87, so yes if I can ring fence funds for use at drawdown it would be useful. Have you checked your settings? There's been a fair bit gone on to the market over the last couple of days.
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Post by pepperpot on Feb 11, 2015 12:40:25 GMT
I missed out on the drawdown of #150 due to having funds used up elsewhere and since then I've only racked up £5.87, so yes if I can ring fence funds for use at drawdown it would be useful. Have you checked your settings? There's been a fair bit gone on to the market over the last couple of days. Yep, all in order. I've probably just been unlucky, my available cash has fluctuated between 0 and a few hundred over the past week, so I might have been a 0 when they got traded.
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Post by sl75 on Feb 11, 2015 16:33:39 GMT
Brand new loans would tend to be widely available for several days/weeks after the loan draws down, because they're widely distributed amongst many users, including some who will be reducing their target soon afterwards (e.g. for diversification, or because they change their mind, or they routinely buy more than they want long-term in order to get the first month interest but sell before the first repayment, or any number of other reasons). We obviously need a bit of history to have a better idea, but I'm not sure all new loans would be as widely available as sl75 suggests. No doubt a lot will depend on the size of the new loan. If it's huge, then there will be plenty of availability, but if it's small it might all go to targets set in advance and never show up in the Aftermarket again. Consider the old £260k JR loan (#8). I think I've had a target set for this loan ever since it was possible to set targets, yet I've never bought any of it -- not even mini-shrapnel! And I've never heard of anyone else who has managed to buy any part of this loan. The way that loans are allocated to investors is very different now. Everyone who sets a target, and has funds available will get a slice on drawdown, and this will include some users who are simply looking for a place to park their money short-term (for various reasons, including that they'll be reducing the target later in order to diversify as more loans become available). For loan #150, I didn't have any funds available on drawdown, but my (admittedly very low) target was met during the following few days. If I had a higher target, I'd undoubtedly have received even more chunks towards this, or maybe even still be receiving them. During the weeks following drawdown, I'd tend to expect a new loan to become harder to get, as the short-term investors exit their positions so that almost all units are then held by long-term investors.
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Post by whitmanthecat on Feb 11, 2015 21:28:07 GMT
Consider the old £260k JR loan (#8). I think I've had a target set for this loan ever since it was possible to set targets, yet I've never bought any of it -- not even mini-shrapnel! And I've never heard of anyone else who has managed to buy any part of this loan. I have some micro shrapnel of that loan! I have a £500 target set and managed to pick up 3p in November. This month I received 0.0038p in principal and 0.025p in interest. I think there's a £1 minimum now for loans purchased.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 12, 2015 4:50:56 GMT
I think there's a £1 minimum now for loans purchased. AIUI... That minimum wouldn't apply if the amount offered is less than £1. Or if the difference between your target and your holding is less than £1.
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Post by baldpate on Feb 12, 2015 8:59:07 GMT
Would a "priority investment" flag on each loan solve this more elegantly? Targets for priority loans are reserved against the cash balance and only if there's anything left over will it be invested in other non-priority loans. That would be a perfect solution for what I was after doing, chris. Thanks to everone else for the useful comments.
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Post by batchoy on Feb 12, 2015 16:58:19 GMT
Would a "priority investment" flag on each loan solve this more elegantly? Targets for priority loans are reserved against the cash balance and only if there's anything left over will it be invested in other non-priority loans. That would be a perfect solution for what I was after doing, chris. Thanks to everone else for the useful comments. Whilst having a 'priority investment' flag sounds nice it could be detrimental to overall investment because it prevents investments in other loans. For example you set a £1000 target for an upcoming loan and set the priority flag, with the loan being relatively small and popular individual lenders only get allocated £100 so you have £900 un-invested. However without the flag you have the possible situation that other lenders will attempt to sell off some of their existing holdings in order to free up cash for the new loan so you could well find that you have invested £1000 in loans that you want just not necessarily the one particular loan, this is particularly so if everyone else is setting the 'priority investment' flag. The situation becomes worse after the release of the loan if you only £100 of your £1000 target and you don't reset the priority flag as in the worst case situation you could find yourself with a £100 invested and £900 un-invested the whole life of the loan.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 12, 2015 17:13:59 GMT
That's the downside of ring fencing money, but I assume anyone using the facility is aware of that. You don't HAVE to use it just because it is available.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 12, 2015 17:17:38 GMT
That scenerio was covered in the "grumpnosebest " ideas made earlier, I quote: I envisage the reserve facility on my MLIA resources being configurable to fund anything in the list of loans on the upcoming list to the limit of the target set. If less than the target were to be allocated, the balance of the reserve on that loan could be returned to the main MLIA stash. I forgot to mention my target of £500 in the imminent Grandgrumps.com Pensioners Aids loan, so my example above would only have £505.99 available for general investment.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 12, 2015 17:24:41 GMT
Or they could just release an API that'd allow an AI program / script / bot to read the market data and twiddle all the knobs (and add funds via debit card if required) to do exactly what the user wanted .. well 'exactly what the user asked for', anyway. 8>.
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Post by batchoy on Feb 12, 2015 18:44:29 GMT
That scenerio was covered in the "grumpnosebest " ideas made earlier, I quote: I envisage the reserve facility on my MLIA resources being configurable to fund anything in the list of loans on the upcoming list to the limit of the target set. If less than the target were to be allocated, the balance of the reserve on that loan could be returned to the main MLIA stash. I forgot to mention my target of £500 in the imminent Grandgrumps.com Pensioners Aids loan, so my example above would only have £505.99 available for general investment.
Even releasing unallocated cash after the release of the loan does not resolve the whole issue as the most likely time that other existing loans are put up for sale by lender will be just before the release of a new loan by underwriters. The thing to do is to stop thinking of the MLIA as a conventional P2P platform where you have invest put money in and bid on each new loan, rather you need to think of it in the same vein as the GEIA but with more (manual) controls whereby you can define which loans you don't want to invest in and where you do want to invest the absolute maximum to want to invest. It is then a case of adding funds and letting the platform do the investing. Adding ring fencing only acts to slow the overall investment process, it does not guarantee that you will be allocated your target amount, it just guarantees that your funds will not be invested elsewhere. Extending the £1000 example further: You set a £1000 target for an upcoming loan paying 9.75%, add the £1000 to the MLIA and set the priority flag, meantime someone divests the selves of loan parts in a loan baying 12% which you have set a target for but not the priority flag so now not only do you get only £100 in the prioritized loan due to over subscription you have also ensured that you missed out on picking parts in more lucrative loan. The method with AC now is to set your own personal limits on how much you are willing to have uninvested and for how long, and judging how fast the platform will absorb the fund so that you can feed in fund at an appropriate rate, and not to worry overly about which loans the platform is investing in within your preset targets.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Feb 12, 2015 18:57:52 GMT
Yes, it'll never be a perfect solution. We'll just have to learn to play whatever system is provided to the best of our ability to favour our actual varied requirements. MLIA does a lot of what I want already. I'm just greedy for the "extra little tweak", but I don't want Chris to b****r up the platform by trying to add too many extra quirky bits.
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Post by tonyr on Feb 12, 2015 19:25:41 GMT
Or they could just release an API that'd allow an AI program / script / bot to read the market data and twiddle all the knobs (and add funds via debit card if required) to do exactly what the user wanted .. well 'exactly what the user asked for', anyway. 8>. Or let us upload our code in Python/Lua to run our algorithms on their servers. Now if they did that I'd never get my day job done :-)
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