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Post by j on Jan 18, 2014 16:30:16 GMT
"................this bunch of loans. Don't you mean 'this bunch of old bananas?' "
I'm always open to optimistic visions for the future
PS Got a nice couple of fresh bunches yesterday.
I catch your drift, my old fruity!!
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Post by mrclondon on Jan 18, 2014 16:39:01 GMT
bir******* brid**** loan. This was apparently to repay a loan and a bridging loan awaiting a property sale in India due to complete in February. It seems lenders funds have been used for two months as a line of credit if needed by the so called borrower. This is abuse of lenders who have committed funds waiting for drawdown for the past two months. All we get by way of an update is waiting for an update from the relationship manager. I wonder if this was AC's own money and not lenders would there be more of an effort. The reluctance of AC to implement any longstop date and trigger some form of additional fee or penalty for compensation for lenders is disappointing to say the least. They should apply penalties, additional fees ( to be passed on to lenders!) or withdraw loan offers to these jokers and allow lenders to reinvest This bridging loan introducer seems to have a lot to answer for. The Derby one was was fully funded from HNW individuals due to needing an immediate drawdown (still waiting nearly 2 months later), and the other 3 (S. Manchester, Bolton & Birmingham) were all pre-filled to a significant percentage again because a quick drawdown was required. Fortunately the only one I was in (S. Manchester) did draw down relatively quickly despite needing 2nd charge security, but for 2 of the 4 to still be awaiting drawdown at this point is very disappointing. AC wanted to show this introducer we could produce the ££££££ in short order, but the introducer hasn't then reciprocated in taking the ££££££ in a timely manner. In one of the earlier posts on the bridging loan thread I said I felt the rates on this series of loans were too low ... unfortunately I've been proven right. I hope AC can manage to negotiate some form of sensible time period on drawdowns (possibly including a reservation fee) with this introducer before more bridging loans are offered on the platform. We filled the loans in minutes last time ... there is unlikely to be a stampede next time.
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Post by j on Jan 18, 2014 16:48:13 GMT
bir******* brid**** loan. This bridging loan introducer seems to have a lot to answer for. The Derby one was was fully funded from HNW individuals due to needing an immediate drawdown (still waiting nearly 2 months later), and the other 3 (S. Manchester, Bolton & Birmingham) were all pre-filled to a significant percentage again because a quick drawdown was required. Fortunately the only one I was in (S. Manchester) did draw down relatively quickly despite needing 2nd charge security, but for 2 of the 4 to still be awaiting drawdown at this point is very disappointing. AC wanted to show this introducer we could produce the ££££££ in short order, but the introducer hasn't then reciprocated in taking the ££££££ in a timely manner. In one of the earlier posts on the bridging loan thread I said I felt the rates on this series of loans were too low ... unfortunately I've been proven right. I hope AC can manage to negotiate some form of sensible time period on drawdowns (possibly including a reservation fee) with this introducer before more bridging loans are offered on the platform. We filled the loans in minutes last time ... there is unlikely to be a stampede next time. Fully endorse your sentiments there. It begs the question how some borrowers can have their house in order very quickly (within days), whilst others plod along slower than a turtle (3 months & counting). I hope AC address & sort this asap otherwise, members, old & new, will get more frustrated & start looking elsewhere!
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Post by mark on Jan 19, 2014 11:30:15 GMT
Fully support your comments mclondon and j. I have already decided to suspend any further lending to AC until this matter is addressed.
Posting updates on delayed draw downs such as ' waiting for an update from the relationship manager ' are a waist of time and does not fill me with much confidence. I would like to be informed the actual reasons why draw downs are being delayed, action planned or being taken by AC in applying long stop deadlines, extention or penalty fees to unscrupulous borrowers who are abusing their obligations and our money.
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Post by bugs4me on Jan 19, 2014 12:07:06 GMT
Fully support your comments mclondon and j. I have already decided to suspend any further lending to AC until this matter is addressed. Posting updates on delayed draw downs such as ' waiting for an update from the relationship manager ' are a waist of time and does not fill me with much confidence. I would like to be informed the actual reasons why draw downs are being delayed, action planned or being taken by AC in applying long stop deadlines, extention or penalty fees to unscrupulous borrowers who are abusing their obligations and our money. I fully agree with the sentiments being posted re draw down delays. There should be a limit on this somewhere. Be it 60 days, 90 days or whatever and this should be a condition at bidding time. Going over this then I propose either the original bidder is recompensed in some way, preferably by the borrower or offered the opportunity of withdrawing the bid although not sure how this would work on the legal side. I've got several in the pipeline at the moment and it sure will impact on the returns when or if they finally get to fly. I know AC are doing everything possible in this area but somehow I don't get the same impression of urgency on the part of the borrower(s). So I've also got everything on hold ATM regarding future opportunities.
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Post by Come_on_Grandad on Jan 19, 2014 12:49:25 GMT
<snip> This bridging loan introducer seems to have a lot to answer for. AC wanted to show this introducer we could produce the ££££££ in short order, but the introducer hasn't then reciprocated in taking the ££££££ in a timely manner. <snip> I hope AC can manage to negotiate some form of sensible time period on drawdowns (possibly including a reservation fee) with this introducer before more bridging loans are offered on the platform. We filled the loans in minutes last time ... there is unlikely to be a stampede next time. I was reminded by these remarks of one line that I had read in an article ( here ... in which Stuart Law explains that bridging finance is a new strategic direction for AC). The relevant line is "However, according to Stuart, the lender has a firm ‘one strike and you’re out’ policy. This applies to brokers found to have not sufficiently informed Assetz Capital, the rule was actioned with one broker last week." I don't know what I'm talking about but it seems plausible to me that, as AC grow, they can more easily play hardball with borrowing opportunities and get a useful reputation in the industry for so doing. Since that article AC have indeed hired relevant experience in Ken Purchase. So perhaps it is too early to write off bridging loans just yet. Finally, I too am fed up of getting the sporadic WACTCTB feedback for auctions closed in October. But IIRC Andrew Holgate has said that he is aware of the problems, will be looking at ways of reducing the delays and I hope that we will yet hear good news about more streamlined processes etc. We've drawn attention to the problem. We've agitated for action. I'm happy to wait and reserve judgement until I hear what is said. PS: Did you notice the comment at the foot of the article I linked, from an appropriately named industry insider (?), which goes some way to explaining why some AC loans are anonymized.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 19, 2014 14:02:26 GMT
<snip> This bridging loan introducer seems to have a lot to answer for. AC wanted to show this introducer we could produce the ££££££ in short order, but the introducer hasn't then reciprocated in taking the ££££££ in a timely manner. <snip> I hope AC can manage to negotiate some form of sensible time period on drawdowns (possibly including a reservation fee) with this introducer before more bridging loans are offered on the platform. We filled the loans in minutes last time ... there is unlikely to be a stampede next time. I was reminded by these remarks of one line that I had read in an article ( here ... in which Stuart Law explains that bridging finance is a new strategic direction for AC). "Stuart explains that the £100 million target is dependent on two aspects: possible public funding and an increased interest from large organisations".And here was me thinking it was dependent on actually having some auctions to bid on
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Post by chris on Jan 19, 2014 14:34:25 GMT
"Stuart explains that the £100 million target is dependent on two aspects: possible public funding and an increased interest from large organisations".And here was me thinking it was dependent on actually having some auctions to bid on Please note these are personal opinions from the non-financial arm of the company. Growth is a balancing act between growing our lender base and finding enough borrowers. This balancing act affects all P2P companies and I doubt any will ever get things 100% right 100% of the time as different initiatives on both sides of the equation kick in at different times and have varying degrees of success. If we're going to grow from £3-4m per month to £10+m per month within 12 months then that will depend on finding the deal flow but also will involve finding some large lenders who will fund a significant proportion of those loans. There will also need to be growth in our private / individual investors, but to an extent this means educating the general public that peer to peer even exists let alone is relevant to them which is a slower process. In terms of drawdown times we are painfully aware of this current bottleneck and the issues it is causing, including the impact it has on the effective rates earned by our lenders. We are doing all we can to address this with our current batch of loans and I will personally do what I can to make sure we keep you all up to date with our progress. We are also taking steps to not just improve this situation for the future but to try and eliminate it - I'm not sure how much I can say for now so I'll leave it there, but expect big announcements in the coming weeks and months as we are able to put our plans in place. In terms of technological changes, as I've mentioned before I have some big updates to the primary markets that are being polished ready for release on Wednesday. These are targeted at improving fairness for all and improving our lender offering, with one change in particular designed to protect our smallest investors as and when we are able to attract large / institutional funding, and are also part of our strategy for combating the impact of drawdown times. From a platform update point of view it will then be radio silence as we complete another major new project designed to build on next weeks changes that I personally believe will put us streets ahead of the competition in terms of our lender offering. This will be completed mid to late March and will be consuming all of my time, along with our other developers, until then so incremental updates to the rest of the platform will be few and far between for that period unless they are part of the larger development that we are able to release early.
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Post by chris on Jan 19, 2014 14:36:08 GMT
PS: Did you notice the comment at the foot of the article I linked, from an appropriately named industry insider (?), which goes some way to explaining why some AC loans are anonymized. This is one of the reasons, and shows an interesting lack of understanding the P2P lending is already happening and working in the real world. We also have other tricks up our sleeve for dealing with this issue.
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Post by alison on Jan 19, 2014 14:46:08 GMT
In terms of technological changes, as I've mentioned before I have some big updates to the primary markets that are being polished ready for release on Wednesday. These are targeted at improving fairness for all and improving our lender offering, with one change in particular designed to protect our smallest investors as and when we are able to attract large / institutional funding, and are also part of our strategy for combating the impact of drawdown times. From a platform update point of view it will then be radio silence as we complete another major new project designed to build on next weeks changes that I personally believe will put us streets ahead of the competition in terms of our lender offering. This will be completed mid to late March and will be consuming all of my time, along with our other developers, until then so incremental updates to the rest of the platform will be few and far between for that period unless they are part of the larger development that we are able to release early. I hope these changes are going to include the previously requested date/timestamping on Q&As!!!
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Post by chris on Jan 19, 2014 14:55:37 GMT
alison - they weren't but I'll see if I can squeeze this in.
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Post by alison on Jan 19, 2014 15:10:11 GMT
alison - they weren't but I'll see if I can squeeze this in. Good man - thanks!!
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 19, 2014 15:32:53 GMT
In terms of technological changes, as I've mentioned before I have some big updates to the primary markets that are being polished ready for release on Wednesday. Releasing updates an hour or two before an auction goes live seems a bit inappropriate if they are big enough that they might affect lenders' bidding strategy. Perhaps they will have no impact on bidding strategy and, if so, the above comment is unnecessary. PS: Did you notice the comment at the foot of the article I linked, from an appropriately named industry insider (?), which goes some way to explaining why some AC loans are anonymized. I did, and I understand why anonymity could be appropriate. It also emphasises the competitiveness in lending -- particularly for bridging loans. It also suggests to me that a potential factor in drawdown delays could well be borrowers either being approached by, or seeking out, alternative lending sources. If it turns out that there are very few instances of a borrower failing eventually to draw down their loan, then perhaps this really isn't a significant concern except for the issue of tying up lender funds unnecessarily and resulting in reduced lenders' returns. Perhaps a possible remedy for the delays would be some sort of 'reservation' fee that would be paid up front on application but fully credited back to the lender if the loan is drawn down within, say, 30 days, with the credit reducing as the drawdown delay grows beyond the 30 days, to the point where it is complete forfeit if the drawdown delay exceeds, say, 120 days, at which time the offer to lend would lapse. If some or all of the reservation fee were to be forfeit, then passing that on to the lenders would serve to soften the blow of having money idle for a considerable time.
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Post by chris on Jan 19, 2014 15:35:41 GMT
In terms of technological changes, as I've mentioned before I have some big updates to the primary markets that are being polished ready for release on Wednesday. Releasing updates an hour or two before an auction goes live seems a bit inappropriate if they are big enough that they might affect lenders' bidding strategy. Perhaps they will have no impact on bidding strategy and, if so, the above comment is unnecessary. They have to be released at some point though and they wouldn't have been ready to release earlier. Bidding strategy may change, although not in a way that should disadvantage anyone, and once it's properly announced you'll understand our reasoning.
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Post by j on Jan 19, 2014 15:44:40 GMT
Perhaps a possible remedy for the delays would be some sort of 'reservation' fee that would be paid up front on application but fully credited back to the lender if the loan is drawn down within, say, 30 days, with the credit reducing as the drawdown delay grows beyond the 30 days, to the point where it is complete forfeit if the drawdown delay exceeds, say, 120 days, at which time the offer to lend would lapse. If some or all of the reservation fee were to be forfeit, then passing that on to the lenders would serve to soften the blow of having money idle for a considerable time. Many of us have been alluding to this & asking if it can be implemented since this bottleneck of delays came to prominence over the last few weeks/months, but no movement yet.
I'll continue to be optimistic that AC will rise to the occasion & start exerting some pressure on borrowers, as & when they feel it appropriate, but it can't come any time soon enough, imho.
Chris, we await the promised updates with positive anticipation. Roll on next week!
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