david42
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Post by david42 on Mar 5, 2015 23:39:39 GMT
I have looked through all 16 pages of posts by Saving Stream. It looks like there have been two defaults, both on boat loans. 1. Loan on 2005 Jeanneau Cap Camarat 715 p2pindependentforum.com/post/10368/threadPost by savingstream on 18 Apr 2014 at 12:09pm We have experienced one default to date which was the 2005 Jeanneau Cap Camarat 715. We had to sell the asset to recoup the debt plus interest which was done within the month and investors were repaid. 2. Loan on 1985 Bourne 1985 p2pindependentforum.com/post/17950/threadJul 31, 2014 8:59:56 GMT savingstream said: 1985 Bourne 43 - Defaulted, currently in negotiations with borrower to replace/repay the boat loan with a property bridging loan. p2pindependentforum.com/post/19942/threadPost by savingstream on 26 Aug 2014 at 3:32pm PBL009 is the bridging loan that is being used to repay the 1985 Bourne 43. As Lendy is confident that the PBL009 is going ahead we have repaid all investors their investment in the Bourne 43 from our own capital.
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Post by solicitorious on Mar 5, 2015 23:44:32 GMT
Hard Assets + PF + low LTV.
As copper-bottomed as their boats! [potentially]
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 6, 2015 3:43:13 GMT
Hard Assets + PF + low LTV. As copper-bottomed as their boats! [potentially] Unfortunately, I think they've decided that boat loans are too good to share with SS lenders and from now on they're going to keep those for themselves. Which leaves us with PBLs and 70% LTVs. But at least we have 'real' security and a PF and interest accruing from the date of investment. Now if they could just fix the issue of whether we're lending to them or to the borrowers and transfer the security into a trust...
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Post by ramblin rose on Mar 6, 2015 9:52:47 GMT
I have looked through all 16 pages of posts by Saving Stream. It looks like there have been two defaults, both on boat loans. 1. Loan on 2005 Jeanneau Cap Camarat 715 p2pindependentforum.com/post/10368/threadPost by savingstream on 18 Apr 2014 at 12:09pm We have experienced one default to date which was the 2005 Jeanneau Cap Camarat 715. We had to sell the asset to recoup the debt plus interest which was done within the month and investors were repaid. That's the one; knew there'd been one. Thank you for finding that. I hate it when there's a niggling thing in the back of my mind that I can't put my finger on
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 6, 2015 20:52:10 GMT
2. Loan on 1985 Bourne 1985 p2pindependentforum.com/post/17950/threadJul 31, 2014 8:59:56 GMT savingstream said: 1985 Bourne 43 - Defaulted, currently in negotiations with borrower to replace/repay the boat loan with a property bridging loan. p2pindependentforum.com/post/19942/threadPost by savingstream on 26 Aug 2014 at 3:32pm PBL009 is the bridging loan that is being used to repay the 1985 Bourne 43. As Lendy is confident that the PBL009 is going ahead we have repaid all investors their investment in the Bourne 43 from our own capital. Oh how they must regret those words (my highlight). Of course 009 didn't go ahead, it morphed in 019, which is still awaiting drawdown over 6 months after that 2nd post from SS.
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Post by meledor on Mar 7, 2015 15:59:31 GMT
Actually, this is one of the advantages of the current SS model, where we lend our money to them and they lend it to borrowers -- as long as SS have the necessary resources, they can take us out of a loan and deal with late borrowers in their own time and out of the spotlight. The obvious negative side to this is that we don't learn much, if anything, about SS's ability to deal with defaulting loans -- and it could be difficult, if not impossible, to take this approach if the defaulting loan is a large PBL.
"as long as SS have the necessary resources" being the key phrase. And how do we now if that is the case? Usually the starting point would be the last set of accounts. But Lendy Limited was only incorporated in October 2012; it has only produced one set of accounts up to 31st December 2013 which were published in February last year. Lendy Limited has taken advantage of every possible exemption in reducing the amount of information disclosed in these accounts. This is fine for companies where nobody is going to read or rely on the accounts but for a company which is seeking to borrow money from P2P lenders surely it should be more forthcoming and go beyond the legal minimum?
So no directors' report or profit & loss account just an unaudited balance sheet - Debtors £978,490, Cash at bank £83,732 Creditors £(1,059,700) giving net assets of £2,522 represented by Share Capital £1 and Profit for the period of £2,521
Other than the company name "Lendy" there is no indication in the accounts that the company is engaged in lending or finance. There are only two accounting policies; one for Deferred Tax (there isn't any, as can be seen from the above balance sheet figures), the other is for Turnover - "Turnover represents net invoiced sales of goods excluding value added tax". But I thought this was a lending business rather than one selling goods? Surely as a minimum we would expect an accounting policy on how interest (receivable and payable) is accounted and bad debts treated? Other than an accounting note explaining that the £1 share capital was fully paid the only other accounting note informs us that security has been given for £664,000 of the total creditors. Presumbly this security is over the debtors; but no comment which you would expect that these debtors (which one imagines are amounts loaned out - if so why not say so?) in turn have security on assets pledged?
I see from this board that Saving Stream was in operation with secured lending prior to end of December 2013 but this is not borne out by these accounts. Saving Stream are acting as principal rather than agent when borrowing money and the fact that a loan is secured is only a benefit to me if there is a default by the borrower. Where's my security if the problem is not with the borrower but Lendy Limited itself? I hope the 2014 accounts are more reassuring but I will be restricting amounts invested to a minimum until they are more forthcoming with the quality of information provided.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 7, 2015 18:54:45 GMT
... the only other accounting note informs us that security has been given for £664,000 of the total creditors. Presumbly this security is over the debtors; ... I suspect that £664k relates to the first incarnation of the superyacht loan, which was for about that amount. When Lendy made that loan the yacht owner placed 'a fixed and floating' -- I think those are the words -- charge over the company, presumably to ensure that they could get their boat back if Lendy had a problem. IIRC, That charge was removed when that loan was rolled over and funded by SS lenders. I've probably done a very poor job of describing this -- I didn't fully understand it myself at the time, and that was probably a year ago as well. There was a bit of discussion of the situation on the forum, so a search of the archives would be appropriate if anyone is looking for more info.
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Post by mrclondon on Mar 7, 2015 19:28:01 GMT
... the only other accounting note informs us that security has been given for £664,000 of the total creditors. Presumbly this security is over the debtors; ... I suspect that £664k relates to the first incarnation of the superyacht loan, which was for about that amount. When Lendy made that loan the yacht owner placed 'a fixed and floating' -- I think those are the words -- charge over the company, presumably to ensure that they could get their boat back if Lendy had a problem. IIRC, That charge was removed when that loan was rolled over and funded by SS lenders. I've probably done a very poor job of describing this -- I didn't fully understand it myself at the time, and that was probably a year ago as well. There was a bit of discussion of the situation on the forum, so a search of the archives would be appropriate if anyone is looking for more info. Sort of A single HNWI funded the first superyacht loan, and placed a fixed and floating charge on Lendy Ltd which meant he could snaffle all of Lendy's assets (i.e. all loan security) if the superyahct had gone AWOL. I and many others refused to lend on SS until this charge was released last May when the superjahct loan was redemmed. The Dec 13 Lendy Ltd accounts are now so old as to be meaningless given the growth of the business in 2014, a fact that hopefully Lendy realise, and are busy ensuring the Dec 2014 accounts surface long before the 9 month deadline.
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Post by meledor on Mar 7, 2015 21:22:29 GMT
mikes1531, mrclondon
Thanks for the explanation about the charge - and I can see from Companies House filing history that the charge was satified on 13th May 2014 - but the fact that Lendy Limited couldn't offer an explanation at the time of the 2013 accounts about the reasons for the charge or any even state that its business is secured lending makes it look rather furtive. Hopefully 2014 accounts with improved disclosure, given the growth of the business, will be available within the next few weeks.
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Post by mikes1531 on Mar 7, 2015 21:46:40 GMT
I've probably done a very poor job of describing this -- I didn't fully understand it myself at the time, and that was probably a year ago as well. Sort of A single HNWI funded the first superyacht loan, and placed a fixed and floating charge on Lendy Ltd which meant he could snaffle all of Lendy's assets (i.e. all loan security) if the superyahct had gone AWOL. mrclondon: Thanks for the clarification. It makes a lot more sense than what I wrote!
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