steve11523
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Post by steve11523 on Jan 7, 2014 13:44:05 GMT
I am considering making peer-to-peer loans via a limited company. I am currently making loans in my personal capacity mainly to Funding Circle, Assetz and Thin Cats. My understanding is that lending via a company would enable me to offset loan losses directly against interest income. Also the net profit could be paid into a SSAS.
Has anybody done this? Are there any pitfalls to avoid? Would a company need any sort of credit licence to make peer-to-peer loans?
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 7, 2014 15:22:28 GMT
Steve, If you are lending on ThinCats there is a thread on the old Forum, "Using companies on ThinCats", which you should read. On the specific question of a licence, one of the posts there states: "a company might potentially need a Consumer Credit Act licence if it were participating in loans to consumers, sole traders or partnerships with fewer than four partners (see www.oft.gov.uk/OFTwork/credit-licensing/do-you-need/who-needs ), but this should not, I think, be issue on ThinCats." I think you'd need to be more careful on Assetz or FC, because some of their loans may be to these categories. Avoid those loans and you should be OK.
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Post by andy2001 on Jan 16, 2014 1:52:27 GMT
Assetz Capital don't even have a Consumer Credit licensed, so I don't think you will need one to lend there.
"The Assetz Capital Companies are not authorised under the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000. Loans made through the Network will be in amounts which are in excess of £25,000 and will be made wholly or predominantly for the purposes of a business. Accordingly the Assetz Capital Companies are not licensed under the Consumer Credit Acts 1974 and 2006."
www.assetzcapital.co.uk/about-us/terms-conditions/
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Post by bengilbert on Jan 16, 2014 9:16:25 GMT
Guidance from the OFT (www.oft.gov.uk/shared_oft/business_leaflets/consumer_credit/oft140a.pdf) on the Consumer Credit Act 1974 says:
'3.21 The Act does not regulate: • a consumer credit agreement by which the creditor provides credit exceeding £25,000, or • a consumer hire agreement requiring the hirer to make payments exceeding £25,000 provided in each case that the agreement is entered into by the debtor or hirer wholly or predominantly for the purposes of a business carried on, or intended to be carried on, by him. 3.22 An agreement is presumed to be wholly or predominantly for business purposes if it includes a declaration to that effect by the debtor or hirer, in a prescribed form, unless the creditor or owner knows or has reasonable cause to suspect that this is not the case. 'Business' is defined in section 189 of the Act, but a person is not to be treated as carrying on a particular type of business merely because occasionally he enters into relevant transactions.'
I wonder if this means that a company can lend to individuals so long as the total original loan amount is over £25,000? (And assuming that the platform has taken a declaration from the borrower that the loan is wholly or predominantly for business purposes)
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Post by pikestaff on Jan 16, 2014 11:02:17 GMT
On most p2x platforms, loans are made directly by a syndicate of lenders to a borrower. If we assume the total lent is more than £25,000, and the loan agreement includes a declaration from the borrower to the effect that it is wholly or predominantly for business purposes, then: - Any company lending more than £25k will not need a licence.
- The position of companies lending less than £25k is not clear. It will depend on whether the law sees the transaction as a single loan (in which case no problem) or a bunch of little loans from each lender (licence needed). If anyone reading this has an authoritative answer to the question, please shout. The answer might depend on the precise form of individual platforms' loan agreements.
On some other platforms, the issue should not arise. For example:
- On SavingStream, I think lenders are not lending to the ultimate borrowers but to Lendy Ltd.
- On Wellesley, lenders purchase participations in loan agreements made by Wellseley, ie Wellesley is the lender of record.
PS @ andy2001, I don't think the status of the companies running the platform is relevant, unless they themselves are lending.
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