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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 10:25:54 GMT
between Gross yield, Annualised return and Estimated fully diversified return?
Thanking you.
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Post by davee39 on May 20, 2015 10:39:40 GMT
Gross yield is the overall rate your current portfolio will earn over the next 12 months.
Annualised return is your earnings over the last twelve months, it adds in cashback and profits/losses from loan part sales and subtracts fees and losses.
The diversified return is an estimate of return after fees, and taking into account average losses assuming you have at least 100 loans.
Of course the rusty abacus used to calculate these values is not renowned for its accuracy.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 11:27:59 GMT
Okay, thanks all.
I'm hoping for the bigger of the three.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 20, 2015 13:04:14 GMT
Gross yield is the overall rate your current portfolio will earn over the next 12 months. Annualised return is your earnings over the last twelve months, it adds in cashback and profits/losses from loan part sales and subtracts fees and losses. The diversified return is an estimate of return after fees, and taking into account average losses assuming you have at least 100 loans. Of course the rusty abacus used to calculate these values is not renowned for its accuracy. Actually I think annualised is calculated over the life of your account, not the last 12 months (although it is an annualised number). I could be wrong though. 8>.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 15:27:36 GMT
Just don't ask what "gobbledegook" means, ...... , no really, don't ask.
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Post by blender on May 20, 2015 16:35:15 GMT
Gross yield is the overall rate your current portfolio will earn over the next 12 months. Annualised return is your earnings over the last twelve months, it adds in cashback and profits/losses from loan part sales and subtracts fees and losses. The diversified return is an estimate of return after fees, and taking into account average losses assuming you have at least 100 loans. Of course the rusty abacus used to calculate these values is not renowned for its accuracy. Actually I think annualised is calculated over the life of your account, not the last 12 months (although it is an annualised number). I could be wrong though. 8>. You are exactly right.
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Post by adrianc on May 20, 2015 20:16:42 GMT
I'm hoping for the bigger of the three. Ain't going to happen... Fees, alone, will ensure that. Wrap your head around the second - that one's the one you've actually had up until now. If you've had a bad run of losers in the past, or the good Fairy Cashback kisses your brow in the night, you might well increase it. If the default pixies are ganging up on you, it might go down. The third is a theoretical worst-case, if the expected bad debt rates per band happen to you and your 100 loans.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 20, 2015 21:22:20 GMT
The third is actually the case where you have losses exactly meeting the FC predicted average for the risk bands you hold . . t'ain't by any stretch of the imagination 'the worst case', which could be a lot worse if a) FC's bad debt estimates turn out to be too optimistic, or b) you are unlucky in the loans you hold (and you are more likely to be better/worse than the predicted average is you have fewer than the 100 loans they recommend. I suspect 'fully diversified', as they call it, actually means 'if you held every loan in the book so your average loss was just exactly what FCs average loss calculation would show', so even 100 loan diversification isn't going to necessarily get you there). If you manage to pick losers you could get all the way down to 'very negative %age indeed', while FC still record an =average= the rest of the folks are happy with.
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Post by adrianc on May 21, 2015 7:15:32 GMT
...t'ain't by any stretch of the imagination 'the worst case', which could be a lot worse... Oh, indeed. Hence the ..."theoretical"..."if"...
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Post by blender on May 21, 2015 7:47:35 GMT
I think that if a lender cannot do better than the 'fully diversified' then better to switch on Autobid and use spare personal time for another hobby.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 21, 2015 7:55:04 GMT
Well maybe, but remember autobid/buy's fully diversified might be worse than yours is. Fully diversified calculation starts from your gross yield (top number), not the theoretical average yield (see FCs marketing blurb for that one). If you can't beat that, you are indeed unlucky or incompetent.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 21, 2015 7:57:10 GMT
...t'ain't by any stretch of the imagination 'the worst case', which could be a lot worse... Oh, indeed. Hence the ..."theoretical"..."if". Yes, but it's the theoretical 'most likely' not the theoretical worst case.
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Post by markr on May 21, 2015 12:03:01 GMT
Don't forget as well that the percentages are compounded, they assume that you will re-lend all your returned capital and interest *at the same rate*, so that lucky 15% early closer will only actually earn you 15% if you can find another 15%-er every month on repayment day to re-invest in.
The effect of compounding is bigger than you might think - if you didn't re-invest the returns at all, a 15% 12 month loan would earn just over 8%.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on May 21, 2015 19:15:44 GMT
Actually, iirc, if you kept putting everything into 15% ers, the Funny Counting number shown would be 16.x% or similar, since the 15% is flat, but they display the compounded version.
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Post by TitoPuente on May 25, 2015 14:09:09 GMT
It's my first anniversary in Fondling Cynics and I was just trying to run some XIRR on my history. However, the format of the transaction statements is quite useless (no surprises here). I wonder if anyone has created an Excel spreadsheet capable of parsing the csv output files and get a proper ledger that can be used?
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