pikestaff
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Post by pikestaff on Nov 9, 2013 12:01:53 GMT
I'd be interested to know if anyone has experience of this one. My attention was drawn to it by a post on the ThinCats forum. It looks to be a serious player but the location puts me off a little bit. Also the name is perhaps a bit too close to IceSave?
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Post by elljay on Nov 9, 2013 16:11:39 GMT
There's a thread over on the Zopa forums where some people have been posting about their experiences. The tax issue seems to be a bit complicated though!
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Post by duck on Nov 11, 2013 19:26:14 GMT
Firstly many thanks to those involved for setting up this forum! As an occasional contributor to the independent forum I was shocked to find out the 'goings on' when catching up yesterday.
Anyway to answer this thread ..... Yes.
As elljay says the UK tax issue is a little more complicated but if you enjoy spreadsheets it need not be too taxing (pun intended). If you like RS type 'regular payments' this is perhaps not the place to go due to Estonian contract law but if you enjoy some ups and downs it is for you. Exchange rates add in another variable which you can play to your advantage ...... but they can go against you as well!
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Nov 12, 2013 11:37:33 GMT
Yes, I am a lender at isePankur. As a British person resident in France many UK platforms are not open to me so I searched further afield. I found some very useful information on the P2P-Banking.com website: www.wiseclerk.com/group-news/?s=isePankurThe isePankur website is very developed and available in different languages. They do not now lend only in Estonia but also Finland, Spain and probably soon in Germany. I received about 120 repayments yesterday and you can see them coming in mainly during the evening, so the platform gives a lot of entertainment. I have a French bank account so transfers are easy for me in euros. The interest rates are much higher than is now normal on British platforms and many loans are to replace loans at even higher rates. It will be interesting to see what the long term default rates are but see the attachment for historical information. Default%20curves.xlsx (189.08 KB)
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Post by bugs4me on Nov 12, 2013 12:02:15 GMT
Yes, I am a lender at isePankur. As a British person resident in France many UK platforms are not open to me so I searched further afield. I found some very useful information on the P2P-Banking.com website: www.wiseclerk.com/group-news/?s=isePankurThe isePankur website is very developed and available in different languages. They do not now lend only in Estonia but also Finland, Spain and probably soon in Germany. I received about 120 repayments yesterday and you can see them coming in mainly during the evening, so the platform gives a lot of entertainment. I have a French bank account so transfers are easy for me in euros. The interest rates are much higher than is now normal on British platforms and many loans are to replace loans at even higher rates. It will be interesting to see what the long term default rates are but see the attachment for historical information. Thanks for the spreadsheet. Am I reading it correctly as the default looks horrendous. Close to 11% (so far) on loans originated only in Jan 13.
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Nov 12, 2013 13:16:19 GMT
Have you looked at the other pages on the spreadsheet? It seems that most of the defaulting loans are eventually repaid together with interest and penalties, however I agree that the early stages are rather worrying. My average interest rate is over 28% which gives some margin for defaults, so it will be interesting to see where it ends up. It is quite common for some payments to be overdue but then pay some days later.
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Post by bugs4me on Nov 12, 2013 13:26:57 GMT
Have you looked at the other pages on the spreadsheet? It seems that most of the defaulting loans are eventually repaid together with interest and penalties, however I agree that the early stages are rather worrying. My average interest rate is over 28% which gives some margin for defaults, so it will be interesting to see where it ends up. It is quite common for some payments to be overdue but then pay some days later. It would be interesting as to how they define default. It appears to just be late payments (a few days maybe?) and seems unusual for defaults to occur relatively early on in the loan cycle and then caught up on. The 28% is impressive even with pre-default although I suppose it all depends how a loan block eventually washes out and what the final return finishes up being. Interesting times.
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Post by JamesFrance on Nov 12, 2013 14:07:57 GMT
Default seems to be loans for which repayments are 60 days overdue. That triggers the legal collection process and reporting to Experian etc.
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Post by batchoy on Nov 12, 2013 17:02:36 GMT
I'm also a lender at isePankur. One of the other things to watch being UK based is the cost of getting funds sent from a UK Sterling Bank account in Euros to your isePankur account, at the moment it costs me £10 a transfer which means in order to reduce the effect of this cost transfers have to be relative large.
As jamesfrance says it is interesting watching things process through isePanker as the system is very much real time: when I got up this morning I had over 400€ of overdue loans, as the day has gone on this has steadily dropped as borrowers have made repayments and I'm now down to my hardcore of overdue loans which are ticking down to the 60 day limit.
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duck
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Post by duck on Nov 12, 2013 18:22:56 GMT
I use Transferwise to get cash in, far more cost effective.
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Post by parisingoc on Nov 12, 2013 20:18:01 GMT
I use Isepankur. I'm no expert - in fact, I have homed in on this as the only way to get myself out of a looming personal credit crunch - and I also use Transferwise and find it really excellent!
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Post by jimbo on Nov 12, 2013 22:27:04 GMT
I'll echo the others in suggesting Transferwise. Over the long term, they may save you a packet.
The charge you're paying sounds like you're using a service offered by your bank, and they are likely to be raking in anywhere between 2 - 5% extra, on the amount being sent, due to the exchange rate spread they'll apply. Transferwise are unique (I think) in that there is no spread. You will get the mid market rate at the time the transaction takes place.
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Post by mrclondon on Nov 12, 2013 22:38:42 GMT
At one point they were investigating the practicality or otherwise of using Transferwise for transfers out. Does anyone know if anything has happened on this score ?
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JamesFrance
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Post by JamesFrance on Nov 13, 2013 9:01:16 GMT
Transferwise are unique (I think) in that there is no spread. You will get the mid market rate at the time the transaction takes place. There is also the p2p exchange site Currencyfair which I use regularly. With them you can either accept the best rate offered by someone exchanging the other way for an instant exchange, or ask for a better rate and you can often better the inter bank rate if you watch the market. The transfer to my French bank account then costs 3€ or you can arrange any sepa payment you need to make. The whole procedure from uk bank to receiving bank takes less then a day, although my French bank is slow to update the account. I did hear by pm from another isePankur user that they would not now be able to arrange withdrawals by using Transferwise, I think you would need to ask their customer service for the latest position.
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Post by jimbo on Nov 13, 2013 10:39:06 GMT
Thanks for mentioning Currencyfair James. I'll take a look. Sounds like a similar principle to Transferwise, i.e. swapping with somebody moving money the other way.
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