paulg
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Post by paulg on Aug 21, 2015 16:29:32 GMT
Whilst I'm on record as being in favour of KISS, I think this development is excellent. Well done SS.
One word of caution though - your account funds do need to exceed the whole of your BACS deficit or deficits before the offer to offset appears, so you can't expect to just offset some of the deficit and transfer the balance - I'm fine with that.
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Aug 21, 2015 17:05:08 GMT
One word of caution though - your account funds do need to exceed the whole of your BACS deficit or deficits before the offer to offset appears, so you can't expect to just offset some of the deficit and transfer the balance - I'm fine with that. You could, of course, BACS the difference - then, once that's been received and processed, offset what's left.
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Post by webwiz on Aug 21, 2015 17:38:27 GMT
One word of caution though - your account funds do need to exceed the whole of your BACS deficit or deficits before the offer to offset appears, so you can't expect to just offset some of the deficit and transfer the balance - I'm fine with that. You could, of course, BACS the difference - then, once that's been received and processed, offset what's left. Which is just what you promised to do when you made a deposit and went into deficit.
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Post by sam i am on Aug 22, 2015 7:44:35 GMT
You could, of course, BACS the difference - then, once that's been received and processed, offset what's left. Which is just what you promised to do when you made a deposit and went into deficit. I think we promise to pay 'the exact same amount' as deposited. It might just confuse SS a bit if a BACS transfer is sent that does not match the deposit amount nor the BACS deficit. It also makes me wonder how long someone could 'get away with' not offsetting the BACS deficit. It usually takes a couple of days for a BACS transfer to be received by SS and to be processed and applied to the account. With the current liquid SM it is of course tempting to wait until the BACS transfer has been processed and then sell the balancing loan part amount. After all it should only take a few minutes. Is that abuse or is it a case of shrugging and saying that a BACS transfer would have taken that long anyway? What if the SM becomes less liquid and loan parts become more difficult to sell? Is there an expectation that the funds would be available for offset before sending the balancing BACS payment? If we could partially offset the BACS deficit before sending the balancing BACS payment, I just think it makes things a bit clearer.
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Post by webwiz on Sept 8, 2015 11:37:38 GMT
I wonder why they did not make the offset automatic. can anyone see any drawback to that? What is the point of maintaining both available funds and a BACS deficit? Whenever you need more available funds you can just make a deposit, automatically creating a matching BACS deficit.
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Post by adrianc on Sept 8, 2015 13:49:48 GMT
I wonder why they did not make the offset automatic. can anyone see any drawback to that? What is the point of maintaining both available funds and a BACS deficit? Whenever you need more available funds you can just make a deposit, automatically creating a matching BACS deficit. Let's say you've made a deposit or a pre-fund's been allocated, and you have a deficit. You send money to cover that. Whilst the money's en route, a loan repays or a part sells or you receive interest payments. If it was auto-offset, your BACS payment is now for the wrong amount. Will it match up successfully? If you want to buy a part in the meantime, do you make another deposit or do you wait for the existing money to arrive and give you a surplus?
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Post by webwiz on Sept 8, 2015 16:34:08 GMT
I wonder why they did not make the offset automatic. can anyone see any drawback to that? What is the point of maintaining both available funds and a BACS deficit? Whenever you need more available funds you can just make a deposit, automatically creating a matching BACS deficit. Let's say you've made a deposit or a pre-fund's been allocated, and you have a deficit. You send money to cover that. Whilst the money's en route, a loan repays or a part sells or you receive interest payments. If it was auto-offset, your BACS payment is now for the wrong amount. Will it match up successfully? If you want to buy a part in the meantime, do you make another deposit or do you wait for the existing money to arrive and give you a surplus? I thought there must be a reason.
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Post by SteveT on Sept 8, 2015 16:53:49 GMT
Still think it would be simpler to do away with the "Cashier - Deposit" process and instead ask Lenders to key in notification of the precise amount they are transferring from their bank account at the point they do so, just as several other platforms do (FS, MT, ReBS, etc.). That way the banking reconciliation should be very simple, or even automated.
You'd still be permitted to buy instantly into both new and existing SS loans on "48 hours credit", with the "Available funds" balance in your account becoming the running total of loans bought / sold and cash deposited / withdrawn (ie. could be either positive or negative). Lenders would still be asked to clear any negative balance within 48 hours, either by transferring in additional funds or selling down loan parts already held.
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Post by webwiz on Sept 8, 2015 18:25:20 GMT
Still think it would be simpler to do away with the "Cashier - Deposit" process and instead ask Lenders to key in notification of the precise amount they are transferring from their bank account at the point they do so, just as several other platforms do (FS, MT, ReBS, etc.). That way the banking reconciliation should be very simple, or even automated. You'd still be permitted to buy instantly into both new and existing SS loans on "48 hours credit", with the "Available funds" balance in your account becoming the running total of loans bought / sold and cash deposited / withdrawn (ie. could be either positive or negative). Lenders would still be asked to clear any negative balance within 48 hours, either by transferring in additional funds or selling down loan parts already held. I don't understand how that is materially different to the current system. We are supposed to send by BACS the amount we "deposit", regardless of the state of available funds. Instead of having available funds positive or negative as per your suggestion it is always zero or positive with possibly a BACS deficit.
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Post by SteveT on Sept 8, 2015 19:34:07 GMT
Still think it would be simpler to do away with the "Cashier - Deposit" process and instead ask Lenders to key in notification of the precise amount they are transferring from their bank account at the point they do so, just as several other platforms do (FS, MT, ReBS, etc.). That way the banking reconciliation should be very simple, or even automated. You'd still be permitted to buy instantly into both new and existing SS loans on "48 hours credit", with the "Available funds" balance in your account becoming the running total of loans bought / sold and cash deposited / withdrawn (ie. could be either positive or negative). Lenders would still be asked to clear any negative balance within 48 hours, either by transferring in additional funds or selling down loan parts already held. I don't understand how that is materially different to the current system. We are supposed to send by BACS the amount we "deposit", regardless of the state of available funds. Instead of having available funds positive or negative as per your suggestion it is always zero or positive with possibly a BACS deficit. Not when a BACS deficit is "created" by SS at the point a new loan is launched and so can end up as any random figure. I only ever transfer round figures into my P2P accounts so it's straightforward to keep track of how much is in each. Also, when selling down other loan parts around the time of a new loan launch (as today), the "created" BACS deficit is rendered out of date as soon as any other released cash clears into Available Funds.
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Post by webwiz on Sept 9, 2015 16:41:06 GMT
I don't understand how that is materially different to the current system. We are supposed to send by BACS the amount we "deposit", regardless of the state of available funds. Instead of having available funds positive or negative as per your suggestion it is always zero or positive with possibly a BACS deficit. Not when a BACS deficit is "created" by SS at the point a new loan is launched and so can end up as any random figure. I only ever transfer round figures into my P2P accounts so it's straightforward to keep track of how much is in each. Also, when selling down other loan parts around the time of a new loan launch (as today), the "created" BACS deficit is rendered out of date as soon as any other released cash clears into Available Funds. One of us has got this wrong. I think that in order for them to match up your BACS payment it must match your deposit not the BACS deficit. and the state of available funds is really immaterial. But if I am right you will have to either send odd amounts or send slightly more than is needed to clear your BACS deficit if you insist on sending round amounts.
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Post by paulg on Sept 9, 2015 18:50:41 GMT
Not when a BACS deficit is "created" by SS at the point a new loan is launched and so can end up as any random figure. I only ever transfer round figures into my P2P accounts so it's straightforward to keep track of how much is in each. Also, when selling down other loan parts around the time of a new loan launch (as today), the "created" BACS deficit is rendered out of date as soon as any other released cash clears into Available Funds. One of us has got this wrong. I think that in order for them to match up your BACS payment it must match your deposit not the BACS deficit. and the state of available funds is really immaterial. But if I am right you will have to either send odd amounts or send slightly more than is needed to clear your BACS deficit if you insist on sending round amounts. If you've sold loan parts since an automated BACS deficit was created by a pre-funded loan, the solution is simple. 1. Create a deposit in the normal way for a round figure that exceeds the difference you still need to pay. 2. Do a BACS transfer for the amount of the deposit you've just created. 3. When that new BACS payment is reconciled by SS your funds balance will exceed the outstanding automated BACS deficit and you can offset it, and the original automated deposit will then disappear from your "Transactions" page. I think the important thing as far as SS are concerned is that the BACS transfer you make is exactly the same as a deposit on your "Transactions" page.
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Post by star dust on Sept 9, 2015 19:21:04 GMT
I think the important thing as far as SS are concerned is that the BACS transfer you make is exactly the same as a deposit on your "Transactions" page. I am not sure even this is necessary any more as I did this yesterday - sent the difference - minus your Step 2, and like SteveT reported (somewhere) I received a 'new' Deposit Confirmation email for the amount I had sent. However, it would be nice if savingstream could clarify matters. In Edit: think it may still be needed for funds you are sending under 'normal' circumstances. But maybe this will be the new norm .
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Post by paulg on Sept 9, 2015 19:57:09 GMT
I think the important thing as far as SS are concerned is that the BACS transfer you make is exactly the same as a deposit on your "Transactions" page. I am not sure even this is necessary any more as I did this yesterday - sent the difference - minus your Step 2, and like SteveT reported (somewhere) I received a 'new' Deposit Confirmation email for the amount I had sent. However, it would be nice if savingstream could clarify matters. In Edit: think it may still be needed for funds you are sending under 'normal' circumstances. But maybe this will be the new norm . Perhaps when SS reconciled the BACS transfers and found the one for your account didn't match a Transaction page deposit they created one for you and hence the Deposit Confirmation email you received. I agree - it would be nice to receive some clarification from savingstream on how they would prefer us to proceed in these circumstances, as it's going to be a situation which occurs with most investors from now on with pre-funding.
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Post by stevio on Sept 11, 2015 15:48:01 GMT
When you sell a loan on SS, what happens with the interest accrued to date, do you just lose that interest?
When I sell a loan, it seems to just add the amount that I paid for the loan ton my account without any interest?
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