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Post by SteveT on Sept 4, 2015 10:49:22 GMT
So if FC is going to become dominated by Autobid, lower rates, the SM and lack of personalised portfolio management - where would you people look for an alternative? SS, MT, AR, FS, AC and (if there's really nothing doing on those) ReBS
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 4, 2015 10:52:42 GMT
So if FC is going to become dominated by Autobid, lower rates, the SM and lack of personalised portfolio management - where would you people look for an alternative? SS, MT, AR, FS, AC and (if there's really nothing doing on those) ReBS FK is probably the closest to FC
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Post by TitoPuente on Sept 4, 2015 12:23:14 GMT
SS, MT, AR, FS, AC and (if there's really nothing doing on those) ReBS FK is probably the closest to FC But the loan volume is a tiny fraction, isn't it?
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 4, 2015 12:27:42 GMT
FK is probably the closest to FC But the loan volume is a tiny fraction, isn't it? Yes, it is. One a week at best. In terms of how it operates it & Rebs (also small deal flow) are probably the closest as they run reverse auctions on all loans. That was my point. Totally indifferent to FC change myself as all but pulled out (FK being wound down too)
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Post by chrisf on Sept 4, 2015 12:49:23 GMT
As far as I can tell FK is only nominally running loans as reverse auctions, a reserve rate is published and 90+% of accepted bids are at the reserve, with most of the remaining 10% being late-stage bidders who bid 0.01% lower. So I consider it to be fixed-rate like the new FC model. And with lower rates than the new FC model, though probably lower default rates too.
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Post by mkernow on Sept 4, 2015 13:22:27 GMT
The Bolshevist mob is winning #trump2016
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Post by am on Sept 4, 2015 14:00:55 GMT
The Bolshevist mob is winning #trump2016 You'll have to unpack that statement.
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Post by am on Sept 5, 2015 17:14:11 GMT
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Post by bollidear on Sept 5, 2015 19:36:41 GMT
I could be alone on this thought (it wouldn't be the first time), but whilst ignoring to active minority of investors like the forum followers, flippers etc, Samir has overlooked the fact that many of us have actively promoted FC to others who are not active in the community but still invest.
He sees a handful of names on the forum and thinks hey ho...just a few that the rigged FC stats will marginalise. But it is far easier to recommend people NOT to join FC than it is to recommend....which will be my new line.
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Post by easteregg on Sept 5, 2015 21:53:07 GMT
I could be alone on this thought (it wouldn't be the first time), but whilst ignoring to active minority of investors like the forum followers, flippers etc, Samir has overlooked the fact that many of us have actively promoted FC to others who are not active in the community but still invest. He sees a handful of names on the forum and thinks hey ho...just a few that the rigged FC stats will marginalise. But it is far easier to recommend people NOT to join FC than it is to recommend....which will be my new line. I don't want to keep comparing Funding Circle with YES-Secure, however there are some important lessons that all P2P companies should learn, that are appropriate here. The first is not to upset your customers. The second is that there is a small window to resolve any problems before customers go elsewhere.
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Post by pete101 on Sept 6, 2015 10:30:31 GMT
The mail documentation points out that less loans will be rejected as the borrower can be certain of the rate and that's good for lenders. This may well morph into pre-acceptance of loans which will also be better for lenders.
On the other side of the coin, if at the moment, a loan is not going to be filled, normally because the proposition is unattractive, then the active investors swoop in with a high rate offer commensurate with the risk and the loan gets filled. So I surmise that more loans will remain unfilled than before, particularly at the current advertised rates, and that's got to be a bad thing.
Of course, it may be that FC then top it up (although that would appear to me to be very unethical), but if all the active investors steer clear of a loan request and FC tops it up, that's a quick journey to the knackers yard.
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Post by Financial Thing on Sept 6, 2015 11:46:18 GMT
I suggest we all attend the meeting in September and voice our concerns. Maybe FC will discard this ridiculous change idea.
I couldn't believe it when I saw this change announcement.
If it 'ain't broke, don't fix it. Then they go and try to fix it. SMH. The model at least. The website, that's another story.
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Post by davee39 on Sept 6, 2015 17:23:04 GMT
I suggest we all attend the meeting in September and voice our concerns. Maybe FC will discard this ridiculous change idea. I couldn't believe it when I saw this change announcement. If it 'ain't broke, don't fix it. Then they go and try to fix it. SMH. The model at least. The website, that's another story. But it is broke!!! The number of loans available is limited and large loans (> £200k) are hard to get away because they end at high rates. FC really do not want to mess about with £6000 tax bills, they want the £500k loans to build income and reach profitability. I dont like it, especially as I am currently running at 12.7% return, but I cannot get more than pennies invested if there are no new loans available (while maintaining diversity). I do think the rates are too low, but the 75 -ve votes (including mine) are hardly going to tip the balance. Imagine 200 or 300 loans a week at auction, the system could not cope, and even a wholly new IT structure might struggle. And good look pulling out and going elsewhere, the 12% offers are all constrained by excess demand.
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Post by ablender on Sept 6, 2015 19:14:13 GMT
SS, MT, AR, FS, AC and (if there's really nothing doing on those) ReBS FK is probably the closest to FC Can someone please explain these I think I know some of them but not all. And . . another one not mentioned here is Lending Crowd.
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 6, 2015 19:18:41 GMT
FK is probably the closest to FC Can someone please explain these I think I know some of them but not all. And . . another one not mentioned here is Lending Crowd. Savingstream, moneything, ablrate, funding secure, assetz capital, rebuilding society, funding knight
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