mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 11, 2015 11:34:51 GMT
Is there a thread or report about the one that went south please? I'd be interested to read about how it played out. p2pindependentforum.com/post/41800/threador if you prefer to go straight to the outcome p2pindependentforum.com/post/50585/threadAs Pom suggested it was not a big event. SS decided to let it go into default and follow the process rather that just pay it off and deal with the default from their own funds just to show us all how well their recovery process would play out. The thing that strikes me about that episode is the speed with which it was wound up -- three months. That was very good, and quite impressive compared to the defaults I've been involved with at AC. Some of those happened over a year ago and they're still unresolved.
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Post by sqh on Dec 11, 2015 11:58:33 GMT
Is there a thread or report about the one that went south please? I'd be interested to read about how it played out. I thought the recovery was exemplary, and I gained a lot of confidence from it. If only all P2P platforms were this quick at recovery. This is a timeline from the weekly updates. Jan 16th PBL 7 – Talking to brokers about refinance. Feb 6th PBL 7 – We are going to be working with this client to provide us with an exit from this loan. Brokers are confident that a commercial facility will be in place by the end of the term. Feb 16th,24th & Mar 6th No change Mar 14th PBL 007 – This borrower has now defaulted. We have instructed a receiver and appointed a local agent. Auction booked for end April. A buyer is in place in case the property doesn’t reach full reserve at auction. Mar 23rd PBL 007 – The property is now empty and is with the local agent. Auction planned for end of April however we have received a number of cash offers which we are considering. Mar 27th PBL 007 – We are in the process of disposal. Clarke Willmott LLP is dealing with it. Apr 14th PBL 7 – We are in the process of disposal. A court hearing for the 5th of May is scheduled and we should receive vacant possession soon after. Apr 28th PBL 7 – Court hearing 5th of May. There were 5 offers of over £240k for immediate exchange if it went to auction tomorrow. However it has been withdrawn because our borrower has not been responding to their comms. Therefore, it is now just a case of getting the court order for Lendy Ltd to become Mortgagee in Possession. Expected 5th May 2015. May 11th,18th & Jun 1st PBL 7 – We received the court order for vacant possession last week. The owner has until the 15th of June to vacate the property. We are also progressing well with the sale of the property for £250k. Funds should be with us in full by the 15th June. Jun 8th PBL 7 – Hoping for completion before the 15th of June. Jun 19th PBL 7 – This loan has repaid following a successful sale. This was our first default; it took 3 months from the end of the loan to full repayment. We lent based on a valuation of £260k and achieved £250k in a fire sale scenario.
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Post by kermie on Dec 11, 2015 12:02:53 GMT
Indeed, very smooth - but I doubt it will always be this smooth! It has certainly helped SS's reputation, but let's not get lulled into a false sense of security.
I can think of a loan on AC where a non-cooperative borrower has us running round the courts...despite what I suspect is fairly legally-tight security.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 11, 2015 12:22:00 GMT
Indeed, very smooth - but I doubt it will always be this smooth! It has certainly helped SS's reputation, but let's not get lulled into a false sense of security. I can think of a loan on AC where a non-cooperative borrower has us running round the courts...despite what I suspect is fairly legally-tight security. Depending on which AC loan kermie is referring to, one of the big differences between the AC loan and PBL007 could be the status of the property secured by the charge. AIUI, if it's a private residence (as opposed to business premises) the rules/regulations/laws governing what hoops the charge holder has to leap through are very different and much more restrictive. I don't expect it to happen, but if PBL006 were to default I expect that SS's experience/performance trying to deal with that would be very different from what happened with PBL007.
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Post by sqh on Dec 11, 2015 12:25:28 GMT
Indeed, very smooth - but I doubt it will always be this smooth! It has certainly helped SS's reputation, but let's not get lulled into a false sense of security. I can think of a loan on AC where a non-cooperative borrower has us running round the courts...despite what I suspect is fairly legally-tight security. Depending on which AC loan kermie is referring to, one of the big differences between the AC loan and PBL007 could be the status of the property secured by the charge. AIUI, if it's a private residence (as opposed to business premises) the rules/regulations/laws governing what hoops the charge holder has to leap through are very different and much more restrictive. I don't expect it to happen, but if PBL006 were to default I expect that SS's experience/performance trying to deal with that would be very different from what happened with PBL007. I thought the only person living in PBL006 was the butler.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 11, 2015 12:31:42 GMT
Depending on which AC loan kermie is referring to, one of the big differences between the AC loan and PBL007 could be the status of the property secured by the charge. AIUI, if it's a private residence (as opposed to business premises) the rules/regulations/laws governing what hoops the charge holder has to leap through are very different and much more restrictive. I don't expect it to happen, but if PBL006 were to default I expect that SS's experience/performance trying to deal with that would be very different from what happened with PBL007. I thought the only person living in PBL006 was the butler. The AC situation was similar. AC believed the property was let and the borrower was living elsewhere -- and AFAIK they were right. When repossession started looming, however, the borrower moved into the property -- and the repossession process ground to a halt. I've lost track, but months later I think AC still are trying to obtain possession.
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Post by nick on Dec 12, 2015 10:11:30 GMT
That seems a bit defeatist to me. There's a clear problem here and people are playing the system to their advantage and others' disadvantage. And it seems it's the 'bad guys' who are benefiting and the 'good guys' who are suffering. Some say if you can't beat them join them, play the game yourself, pre-fund 10 or 20 times what you really want, get up at 3 in the morning if you want to buy anything on the SM ... I don't think this is satisfactory. In my opinion it's a sign that something needs tweaking or this will run out of control. Go back a step. Don't look at the detail, but the bigger picture. There is a long-standing imbalance of supply and demand. Just look at what happened when the last pre-pre-fund loans went live. The site broke, and a LOT of people complained they'd got zero. If a small loan goes live, it's inevitable that there's going to still be unmet supply - even if there's 1,000 of the 5,500 lenders stick their mitts up for a pre-fund, a £300,000 loan can ONLY ever spread to £300 per lender average. If every lender wants a bit, that's just over £50/each. If everybody pre-funds a grand on average, that's 5% of what you pre-fund. You can't say "Everybody gets a minimum £100 part", because that'd be nearly twice the total loan size. So how does that imbalance get addressed? Because there is no way to vary price on the SM, demand cannot be reduced that way. Would introducing premiums fix it? Or would it introduce a new problem, in the form of flippers? So increase supply. Look at what happens when there's been a new big loan. The SM gets busy, and parts hang around a bit, because demand has been met. Look at what happened when supply outstripped demand significantly, in the aftermath of the launch of a whole raft of the early pre-fund loans, back in late September. The SM was groaning at the seams. There were days when the loan list on the old site was almost entirely green, with most loans having positive availability. And that was when the old site meant that demand could be more easily met by supplying short. Except SS say that they're getting all the loans of the right quality through that they can. Pipeline loans disappear because they've not met the acceptable standard. This is GOOD. If a loan's not good enough, I don't want it. Yes, I could do all that DD myself (except, obviously, I can't, because I don't have access to all the info SS does), but I'd far rather invest through a platform that I can trust to do proper DD. SS have only had one go south (so far - touch wood), and the LTV and security meant that one was rescued. That, afaic, is a good thing, and if it means that demand outstrips supply, then that's a platform that's got a basically good long term prospect, so long as they don't muck it up by ill-judged "fixes". I totally agree. My fear is they either become more lax with credit to boost supply, or reduce interest rates in the PM to temper demand. The latter is probably the more natural step as the rate reduction could flow straight through to their margin or alternatively passed on borrowers to help boost supply. Hopefully competition from the host of new P2P sites and the fickleness of current members will stop this from happening too soon.......
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Post by adrianc on Dec 12, 2015 10:18:33 GMT
Yep.
Coming soon - a toe-dip 10% loan?
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Post by SteveT on Dec 12, 2015 10:37:03 GMT
Yep. Coming soon - a toe-dip 10% loan? Only if SS wish to kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs. One look at the relative lender demand that Ablrate are grappling with for loans at 12%+ and loans at 11%- should tell them everything they need to know.
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Post by ablender on Dec 12, 2015 11:23:40 GMT
Yep. Coming soon - a toe-dip 10% loan? Only if SS wish to kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs. One look at the relative lender demand that Ablrate are grappling with for loans at 12%+ and loans at 11%- should tell them everything they need to know. I totally agree. And I see similar trends in FS as well, at least speaking about my lendings, it is a large decisive parameter.
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 12, 2015 19:47:17 GMT
Coming soon - a toe-dip 10% loan? Only if SS wish to kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs. One look at the relative lender demand that Ablrate are grappling with for loans at 12%+ and loans at 11%- should tell them everything they need to know. The good news is that there's a long list of SS pipeline loans, so they seem to be able to source borrowers willing to pay enough for SS to continue offering 12% to lenders. As long as they haven't had to lower their underwriting standards to achieve that everyone will be happy.
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Post by bonfemme on Dec 30, 2015 6:24:05 GMT
Help! I've done something to my pre-funding options and now I can't amend anything. When I was changing the amount I wanted to invest on one of the loans, it asked as usual "are you sure you want to amend your pre-funding amount" and before clicking yes, I noticed the box inviting me to tick it if I didn't want to have this option again. I thought it would save me clicking my agreement every time. Now I can't change any amounts on any loans or even the default pre-fund amount. Can someone tell me how to undo it? Thanks.
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Post by SteveT on Dec 30, 2015 6:28:39 GMT
Help! I've done something to my pre-funding options and now I can't amend anything. When I was changing the amount I wanted to invest on one of the loans, it asked as usual "are you sure you want to amend your pre-funding amount" and before clicking yes, I noticed the box inviting me to tick it if I didn't want to have this option again. I thought it would save me clicking my agreement every time. Now I can't change any amounts on any loans or even the default pre-fund amount. Can someone tell me how to undo it? Thanks. I remember someone else had this problem a couple of weeks back and think that clearing their cookies reset matters.
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Post by ben on Dec 30, 2015 7:30:14 GMT
I did same awhile ago and clearing the cookie got rid of it
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Post by bonfemme on Dec 30, 2015 10:10:24 GMT
Thanks Steve and Ben. That did the trick.
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