mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 15, 2015 3:22:00 GMT
looking at the present pipeline, though, I see there are no truly huge loans coming soon, so I guess my finger in the air over-estimated the next gust of wind! It may depend on whether AC have seen a large influx of funds into the QAA from outside sources. If they did/do, and they want to retain that money within the platform even if it just goes into the QAA and just parks there, then a significantly increased QAA limit might come sooner rather than later -- and your finger in the air guesstimate might turn out to be very prescient.
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Post by webwiz on Sept 15, 2015 7:07:59 GMT
looking at the present pipeline, though, I see there are no truly huge loans coming soon, so I guess my finger in the air over-estimated the next gust of wind! It may depend on whether AC have seen a large influx of funds into the QAA from outside sources. If they did/do, and they want to retain that money within the platform even if it just goes into the QAA and just parks there, then a significantly increased QAA limit might come sooner rather than later -- and your finger in the air guesstimate might turn out to be very prescient. I am sure that they have had a lot of "parking" money - they have some of mine and a lot more queued up. But they cannot increase the cap unless they have enough suitable loans to put into the QAA, so I do not see it increasing any time soon.
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Post by wysiati on Sept 15, 2015 8:02:00 GMT
Many underwriters have been reserving/retaining far less than the 50% of the underwriting bid presently allowed. If the anaemic dealflow / drawdown delay situations persist then efficient management of capital may well require higher proportions of underwritten sums to be retained by default which would further restrict what drops down via automatic sale units.
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Post by stuartassetzcapital on Sept 15, 2015 9:36:57 GMT
I'm not clear on what "problem" people are trying to "fix" with these myriad suggestions about ever-more-complex ways to calculate different limits for the QAA. sl75: AIUI, the problem AC were trying to solve with the QAA was that lenders weren't leaving much idle funds in their accounts so that they could increase their holdings to their targets when parts became available -- either because other lenders selling or because underwriters releasing parts immediately after drawdown. I expect many were doing that because idle funds reduce lenders returns and most 'active' investors try very hard to avoid that. Since the QAA allows lenders to earn 3.75% on what would have been idle funds, AC might have expected more funds to be made available, which would help uptake of newly drawndown loans and Aftermarket liquidity. As an extra bonus, AC could use a goodly proportion of the additional funds provided to sop up parts of their loans, and contribute to their bottom line the difference between the interest rate on the loans in the QAA and the amount paid out on QAA holdings plus any contributions to the Protection Fund. The problem I -- and others -- are trying to fix with limit suggestions, is that the 3.75% QAA rate is sufficiently attractive to expect that some people will use it to park money they otherwise might have put in banks and building societies. With the current overall QAA limit of £1M, all it would take is for 40 people to 'park' £25k each in the QAA for the new account to stop functioning as designed for active AC investors since their idle funds would become truly idle again, always queued for the QAA but never getting in. If AC were to be able to increase the overall QAA limit to the point where it isn't actually limiting then, yes, the problem would go away. And while a modest increase might achieve that right now, once the word spreads about the QAA and it starts showing up in the Best Buy tables of comparison websites I'd expect the punters to come flooding in and swamp the original purpose of the QAA. IMHO, AC need to be planning now what they're going to do to deal with the deluge. There are a lot of useful comments in this thread as a whole including this one. Yes we are walking, no we aren't trying to compete directly with BS accounts, not intending to increase QAA to £10m any time very soon and yes we will manage the account for the greater good of all in the spirit of Fairer, Growth, Together. We have taken on the initial feedback and merged it with our original expectations and will make adjustments in due course. Thank you all.
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Post by jonah on Sept 15, 2015 14:36:58 GMT
The average withdrawal number is now up to 0.01 seconds. I'm just glad that it isn't reported in 20 decimal places! The total invested is down to 17k over the cap, so money is churning slowly. Bring on 174 and let's see how that process works!
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Post by mikes1531 on Sept 15, 2015 16:29:22 GMT
The average withdrawal number is now up to 0.01 seconds. ... and has now doubled to 0.02 seconds.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Sept 15, 2015 17:33:08 GMT
The average withdrawal number is now up to 0.01 seconds. ... and has now doubled to 0.02 seconds. Do you think it is money weighted or a simple average of each transaction? Transactions in the last few hours must have totalled less than £200, and I guess that transactions over the last few days would be several orders of magnitude higher than that.
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Post by ilmoro on Sept 15, 2015 22:04:37 GMT
Only another 6k to go. Hopefully if #174 does drawdown tomorrow that will sort it out finally & unblock the GBBA as well. Probably only temporarily as the rest of the pipeline is heading towards October at speed. Oct 2nd looks like fun!
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Post by chris on Sept 16, 2015 7:45:11 GMT
... and has now doubled to 0.02 seconds. Do you think it is money weighted or a simple average of each transaction? Transactions in the last few hours must have totalled less than £200, and I guess that transactions over the last few days would be several orders of magnitude higher than that. It's a simple average as that made more sense to me. Doesn't matter how big or small the transaction is. Either the account allows rapid withdrawal or it doesn't, and the circumstances in which it wouldn't are the same for large and small transactions alike beyond what would be a brief transitionary period. Let's see how it performs. With a weighted figure, for example, there may be a skew based on the types of transactions that are typically larger in size. With a simple average you could have a large number of small transactions all block at the same time and skew the figures as well. We could look at things like excluding the 10% fastest and 10% slowest transactions to remove outliers and then produce a weighted average of those in the middle. Does it make sense to average the last 7 days or should it be a smaller fixed sample size? Does it matter to a new investor that there was a slow day 7 days ago which is skewing the figures but it's been performing perfectly ever since? Why is 7 days important and not 8? What about bugs, should they be allowed to heavily skew the figures even when they're resolved and cannot reoccur? What are lenders actually looking for in that figure? It only really becomes an issue when the system is failing to perform as designed by which point we'll then have real world data as to how the system slows and what kind of calculation would be useful for lenders to see. If the system only ever performs as it should then that should always be a low and confidence boosting figure.
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Post by bigfoot12 on Sept 16, 2015 8:08:00 GMT
It's a simple average as that made more sense to me. Doesn't matter how big or small the transaction is. Either the account allows rapid withdrawal or it doesn't, and the circumstances in which it wouldn't are the same for large and small transactions alike beyond what would be a brief transitionary period. All very well, but you should be enjoying your holiday and not worrying about this sort of thing. Plenty of time for this when you get back. The IT is fine we need more loans. What are lenders actually looking for in that figure? Probably something closer 'what is likely to be my worst case?' So actual worst case, or perhaps average plus two standard deviations. Something like that. We could look at things like excluding the 10% fastest and 10% slowest transactions to remove outliers and then produce a weighted average of those in the middle. As the numbers are skewed that would not be a good idea. The 10 worst are likely to be important. Does it make sense to average the last 7 days or should it be a smaller fixed sample size? I would want it to include at least one set and ideally more than one set of underwriting called and then drawn events. Does it matter to a new investor that there was a slow day 7 days ago which is skewing the figures but it's been performing perfectly ever since? Yes, if it means that when I want my money there might be a slow day tomorrow. Time will tell What about bugs, should they be allowed to heavily skew the figures even when they're resolved and cannot reoccur? I think that you should adjust for bugs that have been corrected and cannot reoccur. Let's see how it performs. Sounds good.
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Post by pepperpot on Sept 16, 2015 8:13:28 GMT
Do you think it is money weighted or a simple average of each transaction? Transactions in the last few hours must have totalled less than £200, and I guess that transactions over the last few days would be several orders of magnitude higher than that. It's a simple average as that made more sense to me. Doesn't matter how big or small the transaction is. Either the account allows rapid withdrawal or it doesn't, and the circumstances in which it wouldn't are the same for large and small transactions alike beyond what would be a brief transitionary period. Let's see how it performs. With a weighted figure, for example, there may be a skew based on the types of transactions that are typically larger in size. With a simple average you could have a large number of small transactions all block at the same time and skew the figures as well. We could look at things like excluding the 10% fastest and 10% slowest transactions to remove outliers and then produce a weighted average of those in the middle. Does it make sense to average the last 7 days or should it be a smaller fixed sample size? Does it matter to a new investor that there was a slow day 7 days ago which is skewing the figures but it's been performing perfectly ever since? Why is 7 days important and not 8? What about bugs, should they be allowed to heavily skew the figures even when they're resolved and cannot reoccur? What are lenders actually looking for in that figure? It only really becomes an issue when the system is failing to perform as designed by which point we'll then have real world data as to how the system slows and what kind of calculation would be useful for lenders to see. If the system only ever performs as it should then that should always be a low and confidence boosting figure. I think an average figure of how long it takes to get into QAA would be of equal (or to me, more so) use. Personally, I don't mind waiting the odd 0.02 seconds to make a withdrawal now and again, just don't let it become a habit though. Time is money! Maybe we also need a pre-QAA at c2%, for money waiting to get into QAA. 3.75% is obviously far too generous!!
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Post by SteveT on Sept 16, 2015 8:59:45 GMT
I thought the concept of my idle MLIA cash being swept instantly into the QAA was brilliant. Now I realise it's likely to remain entirely "conceptual" until / unless a substantial part of the QAA capacity is reserved for genuine MLIA / GEIA / GBBA account funds awaiting investment as opposed to bulk money from DARTs (Deposit Account Rate Tarts). How about launching a QAA2 that's available only to genuine AC loan investors by being restricted only to idle cash.
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Post by warn on Sept 16, 2015 9:07:15 GMT
I thought the concept of my idle MLIA cash being swept instantly into the QAA was brilliant. Now I realise it's likely to remain entirely "conceptual" until / unless a substantial part of the QAA capacity is reserved for genuine MLIA / GEIA / GBBA account funds awaiting investment as opposed to bulk money from DARTs (Deposit Account Rate Tarts). How about launching a QAA2 that's available only to genuine AC loan investors by being restricted only to idle cash. Whereupon, you stick £25k into your MLIA, set your targets (huh, those were the days!) to authorise a Total Net Instruction of +£50, and let the system sweep your idle.
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Post by jonah on Sept 16, 2015 9:20:36 GMT
I thought the concept of my idle MLIA cash being swept instantly into the QAA was brilliant. Now I realise it's likely to remain entirely "conceptual" until / unless a substantial part of the QAA capacity is reserved for genuine MLIA / GEIA / GBBA account funds awaiting investment as opposed to bulk money from DARTs (Deposit Account Rate Tarts). How about launching a QAA2 that's available only to genuine AC loan investors by being restricted only to idle cash. Whereupon, you stick £25k into your MLIA, set your targets (huh, those were the days!) to authorise a Total Net Instruction of +£50, and let the system sweep your idle. I'd considered the above and the challenge. The only solution I could come up with for this was to limit the size of the sweep to match your total buy orders, ie what you have bid on. The problem with that is that it is simple to game... Pick a very popular loan with a long due date a bid on it, knowing you will get no units or almost no units. I really can't see a solution to prevent gaming the system.
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Post by SteveT on Sept 16, 2015 9:25:35 GMT
Whereupon, you stick £25k into your MLIA, set your targets (huh, those were the days!) to authorise a Total Net Instruction of +£50, and let the system sweep your idle. I'd considered the above and the challenge. The only solution I could come up with for this was to limit the size of the sweep to match your total buy orders, ie what you have bid on. The problem with that is that it is simple to game... Pick a very popular loan with a long due date a bid on it, knowing you will get no units or almost no units. I really can't see a solution to prevent gaming the system. Easy: limit the maximum idle cash sweep to 10% (or 15%, or 20%) of your total invested funds. How many real AC investors want or need to keep more than that idle awaiting new loan drawdowns and to pick up shrapnel.
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