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Post by Mike on Jan 13, 2016 8:32:47 GMT
Note, this is not an entirely serious post :). ): Can't we have a change of topic from the staggering 3.75% Thankfully, AC only use a finite decimal string rather than an infinite one - so with very careful timing (controlling the exact balance on which interest is accruing, and the exact time it accrues to the second), it should be possible in principle to get the total back to PRECISELY zero... I feel like accomplishing this would be like that time you made a once-in-a-lifetime amazing catch that no-one saw
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Post by msa on Jan 13, 2016 14:10:28 GMT
at 50,000 max thats a lot of lenders with spare cash just sat around Eh? At £50k max a £5m fund is 100 lenders - my earlier google suggested there are 50m adults in the UK. 100 is not a lot out of 50m, it's two in a million. As Chris as alluded to, what's limiting the growth of the QAA is mostly the desire not to starve the other investors in AC. You can't just bump the QAA up by 10x or even 2x, it would certainly become full (by word of mouth or a teansy weansy bit of marketting) almost straight away but it really has to deliver 3.75% so it can't hold everything in cash and needs loans to invest in. It doesn't need to be fully invested by far, so liquidity is not really a concern. The 3.75% comes from being high enough to beat anything else on the market and being low enough to so that the remainder of the returns build up the provision fund. Now the hungry QAA just needs feeding. Do we know how much GBP the average investor has deployed on AC accross all instruments?
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 13, 2016 16:16:41 GMT
As Chris as alluded to, what's limiting the growth of the QAA is mostly the desire not to starve the other investors in AC. You can't just bump the QAA up by 10x or even 2x, it would certainly become full (by word of mouth or a teansy weansy bit of marketting) almost straight away but it really has to deliver 3.75% so it can't hold everything in cash and needs loans to invest in. It doesn't need to be fully invested by far, so liquidity is not really a concern. The 3.75% comes from being high enough to beat anything else on the market and being low enough to so that the remainder of the returns build up the provision fund. Now the hungry QAA just needs feeding. Which brings up another limit on QAA growth... Since the QAA has to earn enough interest from the portion of its assets that it's holding in loans (rather than cash), AC can't raise the QAA cap without adding more loans to the QAA to generate the income needed to pay the interest on the increased investment. With the upcoming loan list showing no loans at all at the moment, it probably will be next week at best before any new loan parts could be put into the QAA. This suggests to me that AC can't raise the QAA cap for a little while.
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Post by tonyr on Jan 13, 2016 21:52:40 GMT
As Chris as alluded to, what's limiting the growth of the QAA is mostly the desire not to starve the other investors in AC. You can't just bump the QAA up by 10x or even 2x, it would certainly become full (by word of mouth or a teansy weansy bit of marketting) almost straight away but it really has to deliver 3.75% so it can't hold everything in cash and needs loans to invest in. It doesn't need to be fully invested by far, so liquidity is not really a concern. The 3.75% comes from being high enough to beat anything else on the market and being low enough to so that the remainder of the returns build up the provision fund. Now the hungry QAA just needs feeding. Which brings up another limit on QAA growth... Since the QAA has to earn enough interest from the portion of its assets that it's holding in loans (rather than cash), AC can't raise the QAA cap without adding more loans to the QAA to generate the income needed to pay the interest on the increased investment. With the upcoming loan list showing no loans at all at the moment, it probably will be next week at best before any new loan parts could be put into the QAA. This suggests to me that AC can't raise the QAA cap for a little while. Yes, at the basic level I'm getting 11.45% right now as a headline rate reported on my dashboard page. Ignoring risk (which is important but can be dealt with in a similar way to below), it means that the QAA could be 1/3 invested to generate the 3.75% p.a. it need to do, or it could be 100% invested and contribute to the 7.7% p.a. for the provision fund. Chris has kindly given us the percentage invested, from memory it's about 70%. If I were AC I'd push it to nearly 100%. I can't imagine the QAA being short of cash right now as there is nothing else to invest in so we might as well sweep our funds. So the QAA can use 100% of the swept funds to get 7.7% p.a. to gain the maximum increase in provision fund which in turn will fuel the maximum growth in the QAA. The worst that can happen is that some of the swept funds get withdrawn but then it's easy to release QAA loans to the other accounts where the QAA knows that they'l be taken up, i.e. the QAA knows there is ready market for swept funds so there is minimal risk in deploying these 100%. Assuming that it's implemented like this then it's all very clever. Given that the swept funds idea was a last minute addition I suspect that it's actually cleverer than designed. But, however it's implemented, it's smart.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 14, 2016 3:52:04 GMT
Which brings up another limit on QAA growth... Since the QAA has to earn enough interest from the portion of its assets that it's holding in loans (rather than cash), AC can't raise the QAA cap without adding more loans to the QAA to generate the income needed to pay the interest on the increased investment. With the upcoming loan list showing no loans at all at the moment, it probably will be next week at best before any new loan parts could be put into the QAA. This suggests to me that AC can't raise the QAA cap for a little while. Yes, at the basic level I'm getting 11.45% right now as a headline rate reported on my dashboard page. Ignoring risk (which is important but can be dealt with in a similar way to below), it means that the QAA could be 1/3 invested to generate the 3.75% p.a. it need to do, or it could be 100% invested and contribute to the 7.7% p.a. for the provision fund. Chris has kindly given us the percentage invested, from memory it's about 70%. If I were AC I'd push it to nearly 100%. I can't imagine the QAA being short of cash right now as there is nothing else to invest in so we might as well sweep our funds. So the QAA can use 100% of the swept funds to get 7.7% p.a. to gain the maximum increase in provision fund which in turn will fuel the maximum growth in the QAA. The worst that can happen is that some of the swept funds get withdrawn but then it's easy to release QAA loans to the other accounts where the QAA knows that they'l be taken up, i.e. the QAA knows there is ready market for swept funds so there is minimal risk in deploying these 100%. Assuming that it's implemented like this then it's all very clever. Given that the swept funds idea was a last minute addition I suspect that it's actually cleverer than designed. But, however it's implemented, it's smart. My account also shows 11+% as the average return, but that includes a number of defaulted loans accruing considerably more than that. The QAA wouldn't be allowed to hold those loans, and probably doesn't hold a lot of the older loans paying 10-12% because there's very little of that available nowadays, not to mention that some of those will have high LTVs and thus not be eligible for the QAA -- or the GBBA, for that matter. I'd expect the QAA's holdings to be earning a bit less than 10%, so to pay 3.75% to investors and build up the PF the QAA would need to be at least about half invested. The reason AC have had to put a cap on QAA investment is that they'd otherwise have a massive amount put into the QAA and the QAA would end up holding too much cash and not enough loans to earn enough to pay that 3.75% interest -- principally because with such low deal flow there's little opportunity for the QAA to put its assets to work earning interest. (The same dearth of opportunities that would make investors happy to sweep funds into the QAA causes the QAA a problem putting enough of its assets to work. In short, the QAA can't "use 100% of the swept funds to get 7.7% p.a. to gain the maximum increase in provision fund" because there's very little it can invest in! If AC can produce the improved deal flow we keep hearing about, then all will be well.) The deal flow issue has to be impacting AC's GBBA/GEIA investors as well. Anyone investing in those 'funds' recently probably will be disappointed by how much of their investment is idle and how little is working. Thank goodness for the sweep of idle funds into the QAA! This all helps explain why only 20-30% of recent loans have been assigned to MLIAs -- AC need to direct a large chunk of their new lending to the QAA and GBBA to keep those going. The more I think about the way the QAA is being used, the more I think it's an absolute stroke of genius on AC's part. All they need now is improved deal flow.
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Post by tonyr on Jan 14, 2016 8:07:53 GMT
In short, the QAA can't "use 100% of the swept funds to get 7.7% p.a. to gain the maximum increase in provision fund" because there's very little it can invest in! You forget that AC are in charge of both (a) the size of the QAA and (b) the fraction of each loan that goes into the QAA. So they can make it 100% if they wanted. In practice I'm sure there is an advantage in 'capturing' funds there in advance of expected deals. The more I think about the way the QAA is being used, the more I think it's an absolute stroke of genius on AC's part. All they need now is improved deal flow. Agreed 100%.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 14, 2016 22:11:29 GMT
In short, the QAA can't "use 100% of the swept funds to get 7.7% p.a. to gain the maximum increase in provision fund" because there's very little it can invest in! You forget that AC are in charge of both (a) the size of the QAA and (b) the fraction of each loan that goes into the QAA. So they can make it 100% if they wanted. In practice I'm sure there is an advantage in 'capturing' funds there in advance of expected deals. Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear. What I was trying to say was that sweeping idle funds into the QAA doesn't, in and of itself, help the QAA. All it does is increase the QAA balance on which AC have to pay out 3.75%. Only if the QAA can invest the money coming in into loan parts can AC earn the interest needed to pay out QAA interest. If AC were to increase the QAA cap by £1M today, and people immediately put £1M more into the QAA -- either by direct investment or by sweeping more in -- AC would have a problem because the QAA can't earn any more on its assets without acquiring more loan parts. And with no loans in the pipeline at the moment, where is AC going to find more parts for the QAA to invest in? The only other source that I can think of is the secondary market. AC could buy more of the Midlands Trade Finance Provider loans, but I suspect they've already put as much of that into the QAA as they feel comfortable with, since those parts have been available for quite a while. (Not to mention that right now there's almost none of that left to buy.) AC probably treat the QAA as a priority SM buyer so that whenever someone offers a part for sale a portion of that goes straight to the QAA before the remainder is spread among those MLIA investors with active buying instructions and funds available. I expect the GBBA and GEIA similarly are treated as priority SM buyers as many of those accounts are bound to be less than 100% invested -- mine certainly are. I haven't a clue how much activity there is in the SM on a typical day, but the need to leave at least a few crumbs of SM parts for MLIA investors probably limits the amount of SM sales that can be siphoned off to feed the QAA/GBBA/GEIA. All will be better if AC's deal flow increases as hoped, but until then AC have to be very careful about the speed they let the QAA grow so as to make sure it doesn't grow too quickly.
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Post by chris on Jan 14, 2016 22:21:43 GMT
You forget that AC are in charge of both (a) the size of the QAA and (b) the fraction of each loan that goes into the QAA. So they can make it 100% if they wanted. In practice I'm sure there is an advantage in 'capturing' funds there in advance of expected deals. Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear. What I was trying to say was that sweeping idle funds into the QAA doesn't, in and of itself, help the QAA. All it does is increase the QAA balance on which AC have to pay out 3.75%. Only if the QAA can invest the money coming in into loan parts can AC earn the interest needed to pay out QAA interest. If AC were to increase the QAA cap by £1M today, and people immediately put £1M more into the QAA -- either by direct investment or by sweeping more in -- AC would have a problem because the QAA can't earn any more on its assets without acquiring more loan parts. And with no loans in the pipeline at the moment, where is AC going to find more parts for the QAA to invest in? The only other source that I can think of is the secondary market. AC could buy more of the Midlands Trade Finance Provider loans, but I suspect they've already put as much of that into the QAA as they feel comfortable with, since those parts have been available for quite a while. (Not to mention that right now there's almost none of that left to buy.) AC probably treat the QAA as a priority SM buyer so that whenever someone offers a part for sale a portion of that goes straight to the QAA before the remainder is spread among those MLIA investors with active buying instructions and funds available. I expect the GBBA and GEIA similarly are treated as priority SM buyers as many of those accounts are bound to be less than 100% invested -- mine certainly are. I haven't a clue how much activity there is in the SM on a typical day, but the need to leave at least a few crumbs of SM parts for MLIA investors probably limits the amount of SM sales that can be siphoned off to feed the QAA/GBBA/GEIA. All will be better if AC's deal flow increases as hoped, but until then AC have to be very careful about the speed they let the QAA grow so as to make sure it doesn't grow too quickly. The internal estimate is for between £3.5m and £5m to draw down in the next three weeks. QAA does have priority on the aftermarket where a target is set, but that's rarely used at the moment. GBBA / GEIA also have a small priority over MLIA for the time being, with that working so that a percentage of the loan units offered for sale are split just between the GBBA / GEIA investors with the rest being split between the GBBA / GEIA and MLIA. That weighting is slowly reducing over time and we're testing an alternative strategy now to aid those accounts get fully invested. Need more loans to draw down though so that this tinkering with the market becomes an irrelevance.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 14, 2016 23:44:56 GMT
Need more loans to draw down though so that this tinkering with the market becomes an irrelevance. Amen!
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Post by chris on Jan 15, 2016 11:47:28 GMT
Need more loans to draw down though so that this tinkering with the market becomes an irrelevance. Amen! You'll be pleased to know that the buying / selling priority the GBBA had on the market has now been scrapped. It and the MLIA are at parity. GEIA retains it's priority for the time being until deal flow picks up.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 15, 2016 12:25:57 GMT
"The internal estimate is for between £3.5m and £5m to draw down in the next three weeks."
What is the internal estimate for the % (of this £3M-£5M drawing down in the next three weeks) to be actually available to MLIA investors?
The government's old f***s' senior citizens' pre election one year "bribe" bonds are not being renewed at sweetener rates, so plenty of £10,000 lumps will be looking for a new home, methinks, over the next couple of months.
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Post by sl75 on Jan 15, 2016 13:55:47 GMT
Cap seems to have gone up to £6million now £6M cap now reached... this is comfortably above the maximum projected drawdowns within the next few weeks (per chris's post on another thread above), so I guess there's no need for further increases in the short term. Also, presumably there'll need to be several more loans drawing down (so that the QAA can generate some interest without further starving the market of loan units) before the cap can be increased further?
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Post by chris on Jan 15, 2016 14:02:19 GMT
"The internal estimate is for between £3.5m and £5m to draw down in the next three weeks."
What is the internal estimate for the % (of this £3M-£5M drawing down in the next three weeks) to be actually available to MLIA investors?
The government's old f***s' senior citizens' pre election one year "bribe" bonds are not being renewed at sweetener rates, so plenty of £10,000 lumps will be looking for a new home, methinks, over the next couple of months.
That's being worked out now. Some will be retained by underwriters, some retained in the QAA, and the rest will be split between the GBBA and MLIA (with possibly another lump for the GEIA). I've also had it formally agreed that it would be nice to show the expected MLIA split in the last few days before drawdown, with an estimate of the per lender allocation, so those responsible for entering that data are currently working out a process for getting it into the system earlier than it is currently entered.
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Post by msa on Jan 16, 2016 8:22:16 GMT
Perhaps I wasn't making myself clear. What I was trying to say was that sweeping idle funds into the QAA doesn't, in and of itself, help the QAA. All it does is increase the QAA balance on which AC have to pay out 3.75%. Only if the QAA can invest the money coming in into loan parts can AC earn the interest needed to pay out QAA interest. If AC were to increase the QAA cap by £1M today, and people immediately put £1M more into the QAA -- either by direct investment or by sweeping more in -- AC would have a problem because the QAA can't earn any more on its assets without acquiring more loan parts. And with no loans in the pipeline at the moment, where is AC going to find more parts for the QAA to invest in? The only other source that I can think of is the secondary market. AC could buy more of the Midlands Trade Finance Provider loans, but I suspect they've already put as much of that into the QAA as they feel comfortable with, since those parts have been available for quite a while. (Not to mention that right now there's almost none of that left to buy.) AC probably treat the QAA as a priority SM buyer so that whenever someone offers a part for sale a portion of that goes straight to the QAA before the remainder is spread among those MLIA investors with active buying instructions and funds available. I expect the GBBA and GEIA similarly are treated as priority SM buyers as many of those accounts are bound to be less than 100% invested -- mine certainly are. I haven't a clue how much activity there is in the SM on a typical day, but the need to leave at least a few crumbs of SM parts for MLIA investors probably limits the amount of SM sales that can be siphoned off to feed the QAA/GBBA/GEIA. All will be better if AC's deal flow increases as hoped, but until then AC have to be very careful about the speed they let the QAA grow so as to make sure it doesn't grow too quickly. The internal estimate is for between £3.5m and £5m to draw down in the next three weeks. QAA does have priority on the aftermarket where a target is set, but that's rarely used at the moment. GBBA / GEIA also have a small priority over MLIA for the time being, with that working so that a percentage of the loan units offered for sale are split just between the GBBA / GEIA investors with the rest being split between the GBBA / GEIA and MLIA. That weighting is slowly reducing over time and we're testing an alternative strategy now to aid those accounts get fully invested. Need more loans to draw down though so that this tinkering with the market becomes an irrelevance. How much GBP has the average investor deployed on AC accross all instruments?
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Post by warn on Jan 16, 2016 8:25:12 GMT
...I've also had it formally agreed that it would be nice to show the expected MLIA split in the last few days before drawdown, with an estimate of the per lender allocation... Wait for it: Lender X: "Hey, you estimated £500 so I made £500 available and everyone else got £600 I'm angry chiz chiz ... transparency ... moan moan." Lender Y: "Hey, you estimated £500 so I made £500 available and only got £400 I'm angry snarl snarl ... conspiracy ... whine whine."
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