adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Aug 8, 2016 9:45:17 GMT
OK. So let's stop saying what we can't do and you tell us what we can do. Anything that isn't explicitly forbidden. Just like in every other area of adult life.
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Post by geraldine1210 on Aug 8, 2016 9:51:36 GMT
OK. So let's stop saying what we can't do and you tell us what we can do. Anything that isn't explicitly forbidden. Just like in every other area of adult life. OK. So can we take relevant chunks from the article and post it, as long as we don't name names?
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adrianc
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Post by adrianc on Aug 8, 2016 9:52:14 GMT
Anything that isn't explicitly forbidden. Just like in every other area of adult life. OK. So can we take relevant chunks from the article and post it, as long as we don't name names? Just like several people have already done, you mean?
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Post by guff on Aug 8, 2016 10:06:12 GMT
It takes a couple of seconds to get there by Googling the headline mentioned above. How hard is that? It seems you can't read the whole thing on line. Register and you can view two articles per week. EDIT: Sorry ilmoro, forgot to hit enter and went and made a coffee.
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Post by bugs4me on Aug 8, 2016 10:09:49 GMT
Be far easier to just go and buy a copy of the paper. I have and SS doesn't look too rosy in this - assuming you believe everything you read of course.
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Post by lofty on Aug 8, 2016 10:12:46 GMT
It seems you can't read the whole thing on line. You can if you pay Rupert Murdoch I think I'd rather give money to D****** P*******
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Post by nsinvestor on Aug 8, 2016 10:13:34 GMT
The exit strategy listed in the loan particulars is 'Refinance with Commercial Mortgage'.
I raised that with SS last year after I had done some checks on the individuals concerned and questioned how they would ever get a commercial mortgage with their credit history - I did't get a response.
Regardless of the recent Times article, there was already significant reputational risk to SS from this transaction - it doesn't pass the smell test! There are lots of other red flags, not just the credit history of the individuals concerned. The rent for half the office comes from a related company, which questions the value of that income stream. The original SS loan was to refinance another bridging loan (why not go commercial if the rent covenent is so strong...)
Bottom line is that a significant number of borrowers who resort to paying 18%+ for bridging finance have 'issues' that mean mainstream finance not readily available - it isn't always that the Banks don't want to lend on a particular type of asset. SS primarily base investment decisions (as do SS investors) on the valuation of the collateral and future saleability/recovery.
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Post by easilyparted on Aug 8, 2016 10:19:36 GMT
The exit strategy listed in the loan particulars is 'Refinance with Commercial Mortgage'. I raised that with SS last year after I had done some checks on the individuals concerned and questioned how they would ever get a commercial mortgage with their credit history - I did't get a response. Regardless of the recent Times article, there was already significant reputational risk to SS from this transaction - it doesn't pass the smell test! I had given SS the benefit of the doubt nsinvestor until I read this.So were they too lazy or just too trusting ,like all the borrowers and investors this man feeds on.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Aug 8, 2016 10:27:13 GMT
This is all casting very serious questions regarding the integrity and judgement of certain individuals in the SS credit evaluation office. Certain other loans may warrant closer scrutiny. One overdue "should be refinanced in 2-3 weeks" ... five months ago. Recent confirmation of "imminent" refinance is sadly lacking, apart from a forum post suggesting "holidays" are now the culprits. I await a comprehensive SS response .... imminently.
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Post by stokeloans on Aug 8, 2016 10:33:15 GMT
This article is very unfair IMO. It seems intent on wrecking Saving Streams reputation. Nowhere does it mention the PF or the fact that lenders have never actually lost a penny of capital or interest. I think SS are right not to comment on the borrower as he is their customer and it would be unprofessional to do so. We have a valuation report from a chartered surveyor confirming the property to be worth £2.8Million. If that turns out to be false then we will have recourse to claim of the surveyors indemnity insurance for the next 6 years. It's easy to panic but certainly isn't as bad as the Times is making it seem. Doesn't seem unfair to me.The fact is the security is very unlikely to pay off the loan if the borrower defaults and SS should have been aware the valuation was 3 times market value. SS's reputation is taking a hit at the moment, what with this and the garden centre.I've only been using SS for a few months but have already sold 40% of my holding in the last couple of weeks. Investor confidence is everything in P2P
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Post by Jeepers on Aug 8, 2016 10:44:45 GMT
There's more to this article than there seems at first look.
SS were on the front page of the Telegraph last Monday indirectly promoting themselves to property developers by getting the name out there. Fast forward to this Monday and today's article in the Times seems set on tarnishing the SS name. Coincidence? I think not. Make of it what you will...
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Post by fp on Aug 8, 2016 10:48:02 GMT
There's more to this article than there seems at first look. SS were on the front page of the Telegraph last Monday indirectly promoting themselves to property developers by getting the name out there. Fast forward to this Monday and today's article in the Times seems set on tarnishing the SS name. Coincidence? I think not. Make of it what you will...Aug 8, 2016 10:19:51 GMT 1 fp said: SteveT Avatar Aug 8, 2016 10:15:27 GMT 1 SteveT said: It takes a couple of seconds to get there by Googling the headline mentioned above. How hard is that? Conveniently, there is an advert for "Birdgecrowd" at the top of the page, is anyone else getting this?Noted by me earlier too.......
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Post by Mike on Aug 8, 2016 11:21:21 GMT
SS already responded to the complaints here. I don't think that the Times article says anything new, so I doubt they will see the need to re-iterate that which they have already said.
What exactly do you expect to hear from them? We all know how SS loans work, and there isn't much that can be done until repayment. The directors change, this and that, but until repayment comes along I can't see what it is from SS we can expect beyond what they have already said several pages back? Nothing here seems to compel them to give anything more away, to me at least.
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Post by easilyparted on Aug 8, 2016 11:22:02 GMT
There's more to this article than there seems at first look. SS were on the front page of the Telegraph last Monday indirectly promoting themselves to property developers by getting the name out there. Fast forward to this Monday and today's article in the Times seems set on tarnishing the SS name. Coincidence? I think not. Make of it what you will... The speculation into Lendy Ltd and Saving Stream has been buzzing around The Farming Forum for some time,I think the final straw was the mention of Barclays refinancing PBL56.The B word is a very sore point for a lot of borrowers.
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Post by retired2005 on Aug 8, 2016 11:22:55 GMT
Think someone has been spooked by the article and is selling up his loan book ......
Lots of similarly sized chunks of quite decent long dated loans coming up in quick succesion on the SM....
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