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Post by mason on Apr 14, 2017 17:01:29 GMT
And this JUST in:- PBL064 - Tenanted Office Block, Somerset The property continues to be marketed. We have not received any offers yet but there are interested parties. They should really drop the price. £1.25m seems very high given it sold for £875k a couple of years ago.
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 14, 2017 17:18:13 GMT
They should really drop the price. £1.25m seems very high given it sold for £875k a couple of years ago. Perhaps the borrower would like to buy it for £1M. They then could use it for security and borrow a couple million quid via a crowdfunding platform.
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Post by ozboy on Apr 14, 2017 17:27:11 GMT
Blimey mason, that wouldn't be a haircut, it'd be a scalping.
And from reading the previous posts, particularly r1200gs', all this could have so easily been avoided if a modicum of attention had been paid.
At least those on here are learned, I await to hear the low murmur from The Lemmings as it crescendos into a full blown wailing scream like a stuck pig.
Yep mikes1531, plenty of mugs still available.
(Dammit, pressed "Like" instead of "Edit" again, as no doubt everyone has noticed - feel free to Unlike to counter balance!)
EDIT: Thanks jonah, have now Unliked my "Self-Like", managing this time to correctly hit Edit ..............................Happy Easter peeps!!
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mason
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Post by mason on Apr 14, 2017 17:29:57 GMT
They should really drop the price. £1.25m seems very high given it sold for £875k a couple of years ago. Perhaps the borrower would like to buy it for £1M. They then could use it for security and borrow a couple million quid via a crowdfunding platform. I haven't been following this very closely and did wonder whether Lendy has taken possession, or whether it is the borrower who has put it on the market and has some cunning plan to do another co-op bank job.
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Post by jonah on Apr 14, 2017 18:08:46 GMT
(Dammit, pressed "Like" instead of "Edit" again, as no doubt everyone has noticed - feel free to Unlike to counter balance!) You can 'like' again to unlike a post.
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Post by Liz on Apr 14, 2017 18:41:37 GMT
They should really drop the price. £1.25m seems very high given it sold for £875k a couple of years ago. Perhaps the borrower would like to buy it for £1M. They then could use it for security and borrow a couple million quid via a crowdfunding platform. Perhaps L will lend you £1.5m to buy it for 900K, market it on here @65% LTV
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Post by r1200gs on Apr 14, 2017 19:09:25 GMT
Perhaps the borrower would like to buy it for £1M. They then could use it for security and borrow a couple million quid via a crowdfunding platform. I haven't been following this very closely and did wonder whether Lendy has taken possession, or whether it is the borrower who has put it on the market and has some cunning plan to do another co-op bank job. Given the borrowers history of running legal rings around big banks and HMRC, and winning, that's a good question. Mind you, now one of his legal team has been banned from practising, he might just be stuck with honest lawyers, eh? I don't know if Lendy has legal possession of this security or not, but if not then I would not assume they get it easily. They may have possession of course, been busy and not keeping track.
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Post by ablender on Apr 14, 2017 19:12:13 GMT
Perhaps the borrower would like to buy it for £1M. They then could use it for security and borrow a couple million quid via a crowdfunding platform. Perhaps L will lend you £1.5m to buy it for 900K, market it on here @65% LTV Or using your figures they can even say 60% . . . . . . . . . VTL.
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Post by GeorgeT on Apr 14, 2017 19:24:49 GMT
And this JUST in:- PBL064 - Tenanted Office Block, Somerset The property continues to be marketed. We have not received any offers yet but there are interested parties. They should really drop the price. £1.25m seems very high given it sold for £875k a couple of years ago. If Lendy sell it for say £1 million and then deduct their costs of say £200k they will have recovered about £800k. Would that be the end of the matter and the notorious borrower would have effectively swapped a £1 million property for a £2 million payment/loan and walked away with £1 million profit?
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Post by r1200gs on Apr 14, 2017 19:26:21 GMT
Offer accepted on the farm according to latest update.
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Post by WestonKevTMP on Apr 14, 2017 20:04:59 GMT
Previous comment from Lendy in August 2016:
"The Times article states, in reference to PBL064, “One of the loans, worth £2 million, is secured against a tenanted office block that Saving Stream said was worth £2.9 million. The building had been purchased for £900,000 in 2014.”
The valuation of this property was undertaken by a large commercial property valuation agency with specialist expertise in this area. All property valuations in relation to Saving Stream loans are undertaken by independent valuers. Should the valuation of any property be negligent, Saving Stream would have recourse to the valuer’s professional indemnity insurance."
So it seems The Times was quite accurate with the criticism of price. And it'll be interesting to see if Lendy do follow up against the valuer's professional indemnity insurance....
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Post by mikes1531 on Apr 14, 2017 20:32:07 GMT
If Lendy sell it for say £1 million and then deduct their costs of say £200k they will have recovered about £800k. Would that be the end of the matter and the notorious borrower would have effectively swapped a £1 million property for a £2 million payment/loan and walked away with £1 million profit? Quite possibly. If it was an ordinary loan to an ordinary person, LfSS might be able to pursue the borrower via other assets or a PG -- if they obtained one in the first place. This borrower, however, has a track record which suggests that trying to collect anything further from him could easily turn out to be an expensive exercise in futility.
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Post by GeorgeT on Apr 15, 2017 0:12:24 GMT
Looks worryingly like Lendy were naive in the extreme in dealing with this person and he will as per his previous history take them to the cleaners.
Even though his bent solicitor has been struck off I am sure he will still be in tandem with the borrower and providing advice behind the scenes.
As regards the valuation on which the loan was based, several of us with a background in property did our own valuations at the time and picked up the point about the "fake lease" between connected parties and realised it had been substantially overvalued owing to information provided by the borrower that was subsequently relied upon.
In the early days of property loans on this platform I think it may be fair to say that Lendy were quite inexperienced and vulnerable to this sort of manipulation and exploitation by a skilled operator with a very dubious background.
As has been stated by others it beggars belief to some extent that they did not spend a mere 10 minutes on Google to uncover his past record in taking other lenders for a ride.
I feel quite a substantial loss will arise on this particular loan and I hope they are strong enough to survive it. Perhaps they would feel an obligation to raid what is left of the provision fund to soften the blow given there is substantial evidence including as published in the national press that Lendy acted with some negligence in this matter in advancing our money to such an individual.
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Post by registerme on Apr 15, 2017 9:48:32 GMT
Just a reminder to everybody (and not aimed at anybody in particular) that where a loan is headed for default, particularly if some form of litigation is a likely outcome, be careful what you say on this forum. It would be a shame to jeopardise recovery chances.
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Post by r1200gs on Apr 15, 2017 10:07:27 GMT
Previous comment from Lendy in August 2016: " The Times article states, in reference to PBL064, “One of the loans, worth £2 million, is secured against a tenanted office block that Saving Stream said was worth £2.9 million. The building had been purchased for £900,000 in 2014.”
The valuation of this property was undertaken by a large commercial property valuation agency with specialist expertise in this area. All property valuations in relation to Saving Stream loans are undertaken by independent valuers. Should the valuation of any property be negligent, Saving Stream would have recourse to the valuer’s professional indemnity insurance." So it seems The Times was quite accurate with the criticism of price. And it'll be interesting to see if Lendy do follow up against the valuer's professional indemnity insurance.... I also remember SS commentating about the article and wondering what the reporters beef with SS was. Well, now Lendy know what it is. The reporter suggested SS were exposing their investors to unreasonable risk, and he was right. Lendy have no excuses for this loan, other than naivety and arrogance. Doing business with this man was a rooky mistake on a par with the idiots that buy half price mobile phones on eBay based on false promises of safety and security, when it's quite clear the seller is a crook and so all promises of safety and security will vanish like the morning mist when required. They were warned and knew this mans history (or at least part of it, it runs back decades and raises questions at the very highest levels) and when asked why they were dealing with him, they said his history was not relevant. That is foolish and naïve beyond words. I note on the latest update that LfSS say they have learned a lot about residential property bridging with PBL 075. It looks like that lesson for Lendy might not cost investors in the long run, but nobody should have to pay to have some naïve posh boys learn basic life lessons. What next? Will they learn that they will never find the little ball under the three little cups?
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