Liz
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Post by Liz on Nov 5, 2015 12:41:25 GMT
How about keeping the original format for large screen/PC users, and having the new "spaced out" format for mobile junkies. I use my mobile and don't want a "spaced out" version
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Nov 5, 2015 12:44:43 GMT
What is it with everyone screwing up perfectly well working website formats (RS did it long ago) .. something to do with this decades fantasy 'media studies' degrees or summat?!
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registerme
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Post by registerme on Nov 5, 2015 12:55:31 GMT
Things seem to be centred now. Has that changed or was it my imagination that everything was left justified previously (having been hit by norovirus or the equivalent on Monday night, and been a in very sorry state for the last two days, it really might have been my feverish imaginings)?
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Post by savingstream on Nov 5, 2015 12:55:42 GMT
Your developers are telling porkies. Increased whitespace and padding (especially at the ridiculous levels on the beta site) are not necessary for a responsive website. could I suggest your web site developers talk to the person/company that designed the Moneything web site, their site doesn't suffer from vast areas of whiteness, works very well on mobiles, is fast loading and fully usable on all devices from a desktop to a phone. Your beta site took just over a minute and a half to load on my mobile data connection, may be ok for those that live in large towns and cities with a fast data connection but for those who live in the country where even 3G is a minor miracle your site just doesn't work satisfactory Edit: Forgot to mention, using Firefox on an Android Samsung Tab 3 one or two pages are showing corrupt, with text on top of photos - sorry can't remember which ones now as I was testing it last night in bed and don't have my Tab to hand now. After looking at the Moneything website, it does look and feel similar to another platforms' website..? Please feel free to play 'Spot the difference' with the following images.... www.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything1.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything2.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything3.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything4.jpg
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registerme
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Post by registerme on Nov 5, 2015 12:59:30 GMT
Another thought - one principle of web development, whether mobile or otherwise, is minimise the number of clicks. The available loans page has a list of eight loans, and then a second page with another three on it. This is.... silly. Just stick all of them on one page. When there's hundreds of available loans then maybe you need to add structure, but not for a while yet.
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Post by paulgul on Nov 5, 2015 13:20:56 GMT
savingstream could I suggest your web site developers talk to the person/company that designed the Moneything web site, their site doesn't suffer from vast areas of whiteness, works very well on mobiles, is fast loading and fully usable on all devices from a desktop to a phone. Your beta site took just over a minute and a half to load on my mobile data connection, may be ok for those that live in large towns and cities with a fast data connection but for those who live in the country where even 3G is a minor miracle your site just doesn't work satisfactory Edit: Forgot to mention, using Firefox on an Android Samsung Tab 3 one or two pages are showing corrupt, with text on top of photos - sorry can't remember which ones now as I was testing it last night in bed and don't have my Tab to hand now. After looking at the Moneything website, it does look and feel similar to another platforms' website..? Please feel free to play 'Spot the difference' with the following images.... www.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything1.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything2.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything3.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything4.jpgFrom what I can see those comparisons are with your existing site which works well and not with your "lets triple space everything" new site
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Post by star dust on Nov 5, 2015 13:21:29 GMT
Not sure about 1 or 3, but 2 and 4 look to be your existing (much loved) site. Unfortunately I am beginning to come to the conclusion with the new one that more is less, but if some of these comments are taken on board maybe it can yet become an improved site. in Edit, X posted but concur with paulgul
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ianj
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Post by ianj on Nov 5, 2015 13:34:58 GMT
PhotosApologies if I've missed any comments, but I haven't seen anything pro retention, rather the opposite. Their only possible value IMO is aesthetic. I, and others apparently, put a higher value on the information they potentially displace on our screens On the current system I have ABP disabling anything which is not pertinent to the maintenance of my account - so no logos and definitely no photos. Why download more data than you need? The major benefit is that at 67% resolution I can display 32/33 sets of loan details (below right), as opposed to 21/22 with the photos (left). <<MOD deleted: BB>> Edit: Attachment re-posted with all data redactedI've managed to get ABP to work on the new system photos (don't know how - it wouldn't work yesterday) but unfortunately this doesn't save any space! <<MOD deleted: BB>> Edit: Attachment re-posted with all data redactedsavingstream The ideal would naturally be a built-in function for users to personalise their system use, but maximum value would only be achieved if this results in space being available for more data. Failing that, could I ask that the new system be amended to work in the same manner as is in current use, thus facilitating user browser control to achieve a similar end.
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SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Nov 5, 2015 13:36:58 GMT
savingstream could I suggest your web site developers talk to the person/company that designed the Moneything web site, their site doesn't suffer from vast areas of whiteness, works very well on mobiles, is fast loading and fully usable on all devices from a desktop to a phone. Your beta site took just over a minute and a half to load on my mobile data connection, may be ok for those that live in large towns and cities with a fast data connection but for those who live in the country where even 3G is a minor miracle your site just doesn't work satisfactory Edit: Forgot to mention, using Firefox on an Android Samsung Tab 3 one or two pages are showing corrupt, with text on top of photos - sorry can't remember which ones now as I was testing it last night in bed and don't have my Tab to hand now. After looking at the Moneything website, it does look and feel similar to another platforms' website..? Please feel free to play 'Spot the difference' with the following images.... www.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything1.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything2.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything3.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything4.jpgYup, I've no doubt that Moneything looked around and picked the best bits of other platforms' approaches, with the existing SS website very much at the top of the list. However they simplified things further (ie. no pictures in the loan listing tables, only on the individual loan details pages) and optimised the clarity and density of information on the critical Loans and My Loans pages, which are essentially just data tables with sortable column headers. The new SS website design seems currently to be going in the opposite direction, adding lots of empty space, bigger pictures, etc. That's fine on the loan details pages, where you want to present the loan information in an effective way, but the core loan tables (Available Loans, Loans, Live Loans, etc.) should be as simple as possible and present the full list of loans on one page with minimum scrolling and clicking required.
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ianj
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Post by ianj on Nov 5, 2015 13:58:46 GMT
savingstream could I suggest your web site developers talk to the person/company that designed the Moneything web site, their site doesn't suffer from vast areas of whiteness, works very well on mobiles, is fast loading and fully usable on all devices from a desktop to a phone. Your beta site took just over a minute and a half to load on my mobile data connection, may be ok for those that live in large towns and cities with a fast data connection but for those who live in the country where even 3G is a minor miracle your site just doesn't work satisfactory Edit: Forgot to mention, using Firefox on an Android Samsung Tab 3 one or two pages are showing corrupt, with text on top of photos - sorry can't remember which ones now as I was testing it last night in bed and don't have my Tab to hand now. After looking at the Moneything website, it does look and feel similar to another platforms' website..? Please feel free to play 'Spot the difference' with the following images.... www.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything1.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything2.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything3.jpgwww.savingstream.co.uk/mt/moneything4.jpgIf we're talking of wasting space....... . The first two images are really irrelevant to the 'wasting space' issue as It would be difficult to fill a whole screen with this volume of information only. . Image 3 is from the current system (sorry for the repetition), and this never has more than can easily be fitted onto a single screen anyway. . Image 4 is a perfect example of how space can be better utilised to present more data, as opposed to window dressing. Edit: Have to agree with SteveT
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Post by SteveT on Nov 5, 2015 14:12:07 GMT
Bear in mind (perhaps when the invoice arrives from your web designers!) that the MT website is built and managed by 1 person (his name is Shaung). Ed actively took on board feedback from the early MT lenders and had Shaung make a series of very rapid (sometimes within hours) tweaks and enhancements based on lenders' feedback. No wonder many of us like it; we helped to design it! For info, the MT web development discussion thread is here: p2pindependentforum.com/post/37958/thread. |
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Post by bracknellboy on Nov 5, 2015 14:22:27 GMT
ianj: I am not on SS but from reading the thread I understand the beta site is using an old version of the real SS data. De facto the screen shots you have just posted is a set of information related to existing borrowers, including implied borrower details. I have removed them. Should they not represent real borrowers, it would still probalby be best to not post them as it could imply that someone is a borrower who isn't.
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Post by scubabeer on Nov 5, 2015 14:33:20 GMT
Whilst it is nice to be able to re-order the table data by heading, it would be better if this was available on all table data (eg those under My Loans). Also, Excel/csv download from all those as well. It may also be an idea to have a chat with the developers to see if they can do the sorting via the DOM, and not repeated calls to the database, as this will save not only extra data being used by the end user, but also less strain on the servers. This is not a new trick, and has been the recommended way of sorting table data for well over 10 years now!
Agree with others about showing pictures in the list view, not needed at all and just uses extra space and adds to initial download. By all means show when viewing details of specific loans if it really adds to the description.
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ianj
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Post by ianj on Nov 5, 2015 14:59:39 GMT
ianj: I am not on SS but from reading the thread I understand the beta site is using an old version of the real SS data. De facto the screen shots you have just posted is a set of information related to existing borrowers, including implied borrower details. I have removed them. Should they not represent real borrowers, it would still probalby be best to not post them as it could imply that someone is a borrower who isn't. As there was nothing to identify borrowers names, merely the property location, plus the fact that savingstream are quite happy with this information being in the public domain (available of to non-SS forum users via the Beta webitsite without having to login, plus having themselves posted the same data earlier in response to users comments), there was nothing controversial. Nevertheless, I bow to judgement.
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Post by paulg on Nov 5, 2015 15:02:03 GMT
ianj: I am not on SS but from reading the thread I understand the beta site is using an old version of the real SS data. De facto the screen shots you have just posted is a set of information related to existing borrowers, including implied borrower details. I have removed them. Should they not represent real borrowers, it would still probalby be best to not post them as it could imply that someone is a borrower who isn't. : The link given by the OP to the beta site also gives access to the real data contained therein without needing to perform any login, just select 'Start Investing'. This data includes real loan details - including borrower details, and valuations. Edit: Sorry, crossed with ianj.
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