adrianc
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 12:08:00 GMT
Post by adrianc on May 11, 2016 12:08:00 GMT
Looks like this has just paid back Damn, even more funds earning no interest; and no sign of a go-live loan. Oh, what SHALL I do with that whole shiny penny?
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dp
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 12:16:30 GMT
Post by dp on May 11, 2016 12:16:30 GMT
I you had a penny in this loan as a way to track not to invest as you thought it was a dud then more fool you - enjoy the penny. I thought it was a nice clear loan.
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sam i am
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 12:26:19 GMT
Post by sam i am on May 11, 2016 12:26:19 GMT
Yes, I thought it was very attractive too. A well progressed project and low LTV. I didn't favour PBL072 as much (as a second charge) but it looks a whole lot better now!
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adrianc
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 12:40:50 GMT
Post by adrianc on May 11, 2016 12:40:50 GMT
I you had a penny in this loan as a way to track not to invest as you thought it was a dud then more fool you - enjoy the penny. I thought it was a nice clear loan. No, not a dud. I'd been up to my limit in it right up until the updates said it was paying back soon. Then I beat the rush, and moved that money into loans that weren't about to pay back. I didn't bother with 72, because that building had my maximum-per-borrower in it through 59. But, if I had have been, that'd have been removed after the updates, too.
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jamesc
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 12:59:25 GMT
Post by jamesc on May 11, 2016 12:59:25 GMT
Totally gutted largest position I had on SS and no where to go with money burning a hole. Unlike others could not bring myself to put money into PBL72 at the same rate on a 2nd charge so had all my eggs in the 59 basket looks like a mistake now !
P.s. not moaning it paid back just wish it had paid back on a day when another loan was launched plus it had about the lowest LTV of the whole SS book !
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 13:31:07 GMT
Post by ben on May 11, 2016 13:31:07 GMT
This one was my largest on SS to I was pretty confident about it when was launced and when the 2nd charge came out increased my holding signifianctly so like others now have a large amout waiting for a new home, althogh I did have some of 72 not very much this was mainly through the orginal prefunding this looks pretty good though now with minimual risk on holding it
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mikes1531
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 13:50:04 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 11, 2016 13:50:04 GMT
This one was my largest on SS to I was pretty confident about it when was launced and when the 2nd charge came out increased my holding signifianctly so like others now have a large amout waiting for a new home... I'm in a similar position. And I avoided PBL072 because it was a second charge. savingstream: Can you please explain to us why the first charge was paid off before the second charge? (I would have thought that the normal procedure would be to pay off the second charge loan first.) And why was the repayment not spread between the two loans as partial repayments, as you told us to expect?
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ilmoro
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Post by ilmoro on May 11, 2016 14:39:51 GMT
In principle the student halls conversion could still go belly up. Depends whether theyve completed the infinity pool yet!
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mikes1531
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 14:52:35 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 11, 2016 14:52:35 GMT
PBL059 had the first charge and was first in line for any monies so it got paid first. I don't think it's more complicated than that. I understand that if the property was sold PBL059 would get the first chunk of proceeds. But if the borrower simply is paying off part of what they owe I would have thought that the normal procedure would be to pay off the second charge first. I suppose a lot depends on the agreement with SS. Normally a second charge loan would be paying a higher interest rate, so it would be to the borrower's benefit to pay that loan off first. In this case, I'd really like to learn why SS was expecting partial repayments of both loans and that didn't happen. Was that the borrower's decision? Or SS's? I'm hoping to learn something that would guide my future SS investing.
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ben
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 14:58:02 GMT
Post by ben on May 11, 2016 14:58:02 GMT
I would guess the borrower decided to pay more of then was initially intending ie the full first loan rather then just part of it, i think the way SS did it as it was an extension rather then new loan was probably paying same interest rate
Yes the loan can go bad still but unlikely as they have just payed 3 million back so in there interest to keep paying and the security should be pretty good now considering it was 70% agaisnt both loans
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mikes1531
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May 11, 2016 18:03:06 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on May 11, 2016 18:03:06 GMT
I would guess the borrower decided to pay more of then was initially intending ie the full first loan rather then just part of it... That would be a possibility, except there's an update to PBL072 stating "Partial repayment is expected shortly." So it looks to me as if SS were expecting any repayment to be spread across both loans. That clearly hasn't happened, so I'm looking for further clarification from savingstream . Is a further repayment imminent? Yes the loan can go bad still but unlikely as they have just payed 3 million back so in there interest to keep paying and the security should be pretty good now considering it was 70% agaisnt both loans Presumably the money that's just been repaid has come from the proceeds of the sales of the completed student pods. If that's the case, then we no longer should have security over those units because they're owned by someone other than the borrower. I don't really know how this works in practice when units are sold as a project finishes, but I'm pretty sure SS no longer have as security all they had as security before any of the units were sold. So in the current LTV calculation, we know how much the loan as been reduced by but we don't know how much the valuation has been reduced by and, as a result, we really haven't a clue what the current LTV is. The above is just based on my understanding of the situation. If I've got it wrong, I'd be pleased if someone would set me straight.
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Liz
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PBL59
May 11, 2016 22:09:09 GMT
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Post by Liz on May 11, 2016 22:09:09 GMT
PBL72 LTV down to 24%, I think they will refinance this debt or have funds very soon to repay it, looks like the dry spell could last until summer at least!
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May 11, 2016 22:11:20 GMT
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Post by Liz on May 11, 2016 22:11:20 GMT
Damn, even more funds earning no interest; and no sign of a go-live loan. Oh, what SHALL I do with that whole shiny penny? You won't earn much in interest per month, putting a penny into each loan Do the math.
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jamesc
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PBL59
May 12, 2016 10:36:56 GMT
Post by jamesc on May 12, 2016 10:36:56 GMT
Made a withdrawal of the funds from PBL59 yesterday morning and no funds received yet, this is happening more and more with savings stream, so not only do you get you funds back unexpected with nothing on the SM to reinvest you cant use them to invest elsewhere. Are others having delays with SS withdrawals ?
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jamesc
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PBL59
May 12, 2016 10:48:32 GMT
Post by jamesc on May 12, 2016 10:48:32 GMT
But given the repayment they must have known there would be a lot of withdrawals today and would have been set for it
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