cooling_dude
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PBL067
Nov 25, 2016 23:08:29 GMT
Post by cooling_dude on Nov 25, 2016 23:08:29 GMT
Latest update... (for PBL066 & 67)
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Nov 27, 2016 17:01:42 GMT
Latest update... (for PBL066 & 67) savingstream: I always thought that once receivers were appointed, matters were out of the hands of the borrower and it was too late for them to refinance. Is that not correct?
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oldgrumpy
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Post by oldgrumpy on Nov 27, 2016 17:12:37 GMT
Perhaps the borrower has been told that receivers have been appointed to start procedures on (for instance) 7 December should repayment not be made. We can never be quite sure that what SS posts to us as an update is actually factually precise.
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PBL067
Nov 27, 2016 19:02:02 GMT
Post by mikes1531 on Nov 27, 2016 19:02:02 GMT
savingstream : I always thought that once receivers were appointed, matters were out of the hands of the borrower and it was too late for them to refinance. Is that not correct? Perhaps the borrower has been told that receivers have been appointed to start procedures on (for instance) 7 December should repayment not be made. We can never be quite sure that what SS posts to us as an update is actually factually precise. I suppose that's a possibility, but AIUI it doesn't happen that way. I thought that once the receivers are appointed, they are in charge and their fees become payable. But maybe SS don't really mean 'appointed'. Maybe they just mean they've talked to potential receivers, have decided who could do the job if it should become necessary, and have now told the borrower what they've done in the hope that the borrower will magically spring into action and arrange for these loans to be repaid in the next few days. Maybe SS believe in Santa Claus as well!
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ilmoro
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Nov 27, 2016 20:01:29 GMT
Post by ilmoro on Nov 27, 2016 20:01:29 GMT
Latest update... (for PBL066 & 67) savingstream : I always thought that once receivers were appointed, matters were out of the hands of the borrower and it was too late for them to refinance. Is that not correct? Dont think so. Plenty of examples on AC where borrower has continued to follow their own path even after receivers have been appointed. If they can come up with a satisfactory solution and sure the receivers are required to accept it. Never actually happened AFAIAA. The question of fees would probably have to be addressed but then I guess it depends on the terms of the appointment. If they are based on a % of realisation then they might not be payable (at least one example where LPA wasnt paid as they didnt recover) though other costs would probably have to be covered by borrower. I assume SS have issued a notice to appoint which gives borrower some time before they actually take over. Nothing on CH as yet dualinvestor perhaps you could shed some light on this
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Post by dualinvestor on Nov 28, 2016 12:40:48 GMT
savingstream : I always thought that once receivers were appointed, matters were out of the hands of the borrower and it was too late for them to refinance. Is that not correct? Dont think so. Plenty of examples on AC where borrower has continued to follow their own path even after receivers have been appointed. If they can come up with a satisfactory solution and sure the receivers are required to accept it. Never actually happened AFAIAA. The question of fees would probably have to be addressed but then I guess it depends on the terms of the appointment. If they are based on a % of realisation then they might not be payable (at least one example where LPA wasnt paid as they didnt recover) though other costs would probably have to be covered by borrower. I assume SS have issued a notice to appoint which gives borrower some time before they actually take over. Nothing on CH as yet dualinvestor perhaps you could shed some light on this Under normal circumstances once Receivers have been appointed it is theoretically possible to refinance, pay back the creditor and costs, and get the Receiver to withdraw. In practise this rarely happens simply because any new source of finance will be aware that the previous lender was obliged to take enforcement action. Once appointed a Company cannot formally deal with the asset (i.e. issue another charge or sell it) although there is nothing to stop them introducing a new lender or purchaser to the Receiver and coming to some arrangement to get his appointor (in this case Lendy/SS) and his fees paid. It is highly unusual mainly because this process odes not happen overnight and if a borrower can't get another loan before Receivership it is less likely they will get one afterwards. The formal process of enforcement is that the lender will isuue a demand for payment because of a breach of loan terms (effectively a notice they are about to appoint a receiver) if the loan is not satisfied within the time stated in the demand they are at liberty to take enforcement action which usually means appointing receivers in accordance with powers within the charge or debenture. There is still nothing registered at Companies House* so it might be loose wording in the update and it is only at the "demand" stage. EDIT* The Receiver has 7 days to notify Companies House of his appointment, although in practise this is usually done within a day or two.
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Post by dualinvestor on Nov 30, 2016 11:08:16 GMT
Still no Receiver on CH file of debtor company
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Dec 10, 2016 7:12:13 GMT
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Post by dualinvestor on Dec 10, 2016 7:12:13 GMT
It is now over two weeks since SS alleged that they had appointed Receivers in this matter. So what is it savingstream have you appointed Receivers so incompetent that they break the law in failing to notify the Registrar of Companies of their appointment within 7 days or was the update misleading?
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Post by martin44 on Dec 10, 2016 9:14:48 GMT
I assume this applies to pbl66 as well?
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oldgrumpy
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Dec 10, 2016 9:17:33 GMT
Post by oldgrumpy on Dec 10, 2016 9:17:33 GMT
It is now over two weeks since SS alleged that they had appointed Receivers in this matter. So what is it savingstream have you appointed Receivers so incompetent that they break the law in failing to notify the Registrar of Companies of their appointment within 7 days or was the update misleading? We'll keep our eagle eyes on that update just in case SS removes it, or substitutes it with an alternative message.
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Post by dualinvestor on Dec 10, 2016 9:48:07 GMT
I assume this applies to pbl66 as well? I think the borrower on PBL066 is an individual so no charges are registered at Companies House and the appointment of Receivers is not a matter it would deal with.
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Post by harryvederci on Dec 10, 2016 11:47:41 GMT
The charge on PBL066 seems to be registered to the same borrower company as 67, its covered by
Contains fixed charge.
Contains floating charge.
Floating charge covers all the property or undertaking of the company.
Contains negative pledge
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mikes1531
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Post by mikes1531 on Dec 10, 2016 22:38:44 GMT
It is now over two weeks since SS alleged that they had appointed Receivers in this matter. I wouldn't have said "alleged", I would have said "stated". The update says...
Maybe SS forgot to tell the receivers that they had been appointed!
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Dec 23, 2016 20:48:42 GMT
savingstream need to get their house in order; they say that the receivers have been appointed, but no documents have been filed on CH. I know that there is sometimes a lull for documents to appear on CH, but it is now a month since SS first announced that the receivers were appointed.
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Post by sussexlender on Dec 27, 2016 15:51:54 GMT
Hi CD
I just want to thank you for your substantial input this year on so many different issues and loans, which I have found very valuable.
Good luck with your investments in 2017.
Regards, SXLR.
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