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Post by ablender on Dec 6, 2015 19:56:09 GMT
Perhaps if LC thinks that their only option was to increase the SM fee they should counterbalance this by increasing the maximum value of bids for the different bands. May I suggest an increase of 2%.
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Post by bonfemme on Dec 7, 2015 5:51:48 GMT
lendingcrowd I understand you need to generate revenue but the Secondary Market surely can't be a make or break revenue stream for you? If so I'm concerned. I think this fee hike should have been announced with several months warning so investors could plan accordingly. And if I have to pay a 0.5% fee, then I would request being able to add a 0.5% premium to my loan part. Currently I see no option to do this. Can't say I'm a happy camper at this point. I agree with all of the above. This move is wrong in so many ways. I was very hopeful LC would grow and take over from FC but this has really put me off increasing my investment. The obvious solution is to be able to mark up loan parts for sale by the same amount. I will not be buying multiple parts in future.
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Post by ablender on Dec 7, 2015 8:28:13 GMT
lendingcrowd I understand you need to generate revenue but the Secondary Market surely can't be a make or break revenue stream for you? If so I'm concerned. I think this fee hike should have been announced with several months warning so investors could plan accordingly. And if I have to pay a 0.5% fee, then I would request being able to add a 0.5% premium to my loan part. Currently I see no option to do this. Can't say I'm a happy camper at this point. I agree with all of the above. This move is wrong in so many ways. I was very hopeful LC would grow and take over from FC but this has really put me off increasing my investment. The obvious solution is to be able to mark up loan parts for sale by the same amount. I will not be buying multiple parts in future. Previously I did by multiple parts. Now, with the current loans on offer, I am already sticking to 1 part per loan.
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Post by hartshay on Jan 13, 2016 11:14:30 GMT
I really dislike the sale fee. It has stopped me in my tracks from chucking quite a bit into this platform. Perhaps it is meant to cool the aftermarket.... well it cooled my investments down to scraps in new loans and then only at the top rates...
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2016 11:52:02 GMT
Just on this old chestnut again - If it wasn't for the 0.5% sale fee, I'd be very happy to lump a reasonable amount towards the current loan auctions as a temporary home for my funds in the January drought. lendingcrowd , are the SM fees something you're reviewing at all, or are they remaining in place for the foreseeable? Let's say your "temporary home" is six months - that turns a 12.95% part into an 11.95% return. Ooh. I think we can cope with that. Even if it's only three months, then 10.95%. Even 6.95% for one month is better than you'll get at RS...
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Post by r00lish67 on Jan 13, 2016 13:11:04 GMT
Just on this old chestnut again - If it wasn't for the 0.5% sale fee, I'd be very happy to lump a reasonable amount towards the current loan auctions as a temporary home for my funds in the January drought. lendingcrowd , are the SM fees something you're reviewing at all, or are they remaining in place for the foreseeable? Let's say your "temporary home" is six months - that turns a 12.95% part into an 11.95% return. Ooh. I think we can cope with that. Even if it's only three months, then 10.95%. Even 6.95% for one month is better than you'll get at RS... Well, actually, the maximum achieved rate for the most recent loan I think was about 11.8%. Taking off the 1% fee paid to LC takes that to 10.8%, and then comes the 0.5% sales fee which takes it to 9.8% for 6 months. I'd then (personally) have to pay BR income tax so we're now down to 7.84%. After that, I'd have to throw my loan part into the mysterious wilderness that is the LC SM and trust that it sells in a reasonably quick time - for which I have no evidence to date will actually happen. In comparison, with MT or SS, I would earn 12% (9.6% net) and know that my loan part will have more security and very likely sell near instantaneously on the SM (assuming current conditions continue of course). I don't think LC can be compared with RS, which has a provision fund and is generally accepted to hold much less risk than LC/MT/SS/FC (although not no risk as we are often reminded). Also, by 'temporary home', I actually meant 1-2 months until the rest heat up again, for which of course the maths looks even worse.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 13, 2016 15:51:26 GMT
I'd then (personally) have to pay BR income tax so we're now down to 7.84%. ...which you're going to have to do whatever investment you're looking at, with very few exceptions... I've sold a couple of LC parts in the last week or so, both in the same loan, and they've gone within 12hrs. Obviously, that's not exactly proof of anything but a single statistical wet finger in the air, but...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2016 14:59:19 GMT
I'd then (personally) have to pay BR income tax so we're now down to 7.84%. ...which you're going to have to do whatever investment you're looking at, with very few exceptions... I've sold a couple of LC parts in the last week or so, both in the same loan, and they've gone within 12hrs. Obviously, that's not exactly proof of anything but a single statistical wet finger in the air, but... A sale does not make a statistically significant sample. I have had loan parts (echo chic and sortmypc) on sale for over two months and no sale yet. And these parts are top rate for the respective loan band.... So certainly sales are not guaranteed or easy by any mean!!
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 19, 2016 17:15:30 GMT
The way parts get sold (i.e. the order, aggregating etc) is not awfully transparent - it seems you sometimes don't get to buy the highest yielding part, but some sort of blend of what is out there? Or maybe you have to get a matching part size, and the yields are not all the same. I find it a tad un-obvious compared to FC, AC, SS etc. 8>.
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Post by flx123 on Jan 20, 2016 10:48:06 GMT
The way parts get sold (i.e. the order, aggregating etc) is not awfully transparent - it seems you sometimes don't get to buy the highest yielding part, but some sort of blend of what is out there? Or maybe you have to get a matching part size, and the yields are not all the same. I find it a tad un-obvious compared to FC, AC, SS etc. 8>. I have tried in the past to understand how the system works. When talking to their helpline, they kept their cards very close to their chest. However, they implied that they would always amalgate loan parts from three sources (if possible at all) to generate a new loan part. They assured me that neither the size of the loan part to be sold, its yield, nor the time it has spent on the SM would have much influence on the likelihood of it being amalgated into a new loan part. Whether the resulting loan part on offer then is accepted by the buyer is a different issue I would assume.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 11:12:55 GMT
The way parts get sold (i.e. the order, aggregating etc) is not awfully transparent - it seems you sometimes don't get to buy the highest yielding part, but some sort of blend of what is out there? Or maybe you have to get a matching part size, and the yields are not all the same. I find it a tad un-obvious compared to FC, AC, SS etc. 8>. I have tried in the past to understand how the system works. When talking to their helpline, they kept their cards very close to their chest. However, they implied that they would always amalgate loan parts from three sources (if possible at all) to generate a new loan part. They assured me that neither the size of the loan part to be sold, its yield, nor the time it has spent on the SM would have much influence on the likelihood of it being amalgated into a new loan part. Whether the resulting loan part on offer then is accepted by the buyer is a different issue I would assume. If size, yield and age on the secondary market have no influence (and I honestly cannot understand how it is possible) then we remain with a total random allocation on the secondary market. My loans, echochic and sortmypc, are still there on sale (and probably now have been on sale for 3months), top rate and untouched. Whatever blend or magic they apply, a part of my loans should have been sold if they queued sales. My feeling is that they first have to sell their own (underwriters) parts and until then simple lenders are stuck. And of course the total lack of any transparency shows they don't feel confortable with this secondary market. Another reason not to consider them seriously...
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Post by kaya on Jan 31, 2016 11:58:32 GMT
I've sold several parts without any problem, usually within a week or so. Let's suppose I sell a £40 part, 14% interest. If sales are 'averaged out' over, say, 3 parts, with the other 2 parts being 'underwriter' parts at 10%, that would average out at 11.3%, but my guess is that the buyer (3 buyers?) would be offerred about 10.5% at best. So who is pocketing the difference? And if my sold part is averaged out, does that mean that it will not sell untill there are 3 buyers lined up? Obviously all of this is unworkable, and the lack of transparency re the secondary market seems to lead to the conclusion that it is 'fixed', just as the primary auctions are 'fixed'.
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Post by ablender on Jan 31, 2016 18:03:39 GMT
I do not like the way the SM operates either. I think it is a way for people like s*****r to be able to get a ride on people selling parts having high interests, thus enabling him to get rid of the low interest parts. Does anyone know if there are any FCA regulations (or other regulations) which relate to how the SM should operate?
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Post by nick on Feb 1, 2016 7:44:20 GMT
After making some initial, concentrated investments, I'm now looking to sell down some of my concentrated loan positions to bid on new loans as they come on the platform. However, after putting up a number of loan parts for sale last week, none have yet sold. What are other people's experience of secondary liquidity, particularly post £100 promotion?
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Post by SteveT on Feb 1, 2016 8:12:17 GMT
After making some initial, concentrated investments, I'm now looking to sell down some of my concentrated loan positions to bid on new loans as they come on the platform. However, after putting up a number of loan parts for sale last week, none have yet sold. What are other people's experience of secondary liquidity, particularly post £100 promotion? It's very poor indeed, which is why I've invested nothing beyond the £1k needed to pick up the bonuses.
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