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Post by c702 on Mar 14, 2017 20:27:18 GMT
Thanks, pleased to know I'm not the only one. I pulled some money from Ratesetter that so far I've had no losses from but sitting around 5% is not fantastic (5.5% today). Have you invested in any other high yield P2P? I haven't seen a lot of criticism of ABLrate No I haven't invested in any other high yield P2P yet, but I am looking. I am considering diversification away from property as I'm keeping my SS investment going for now. Maybe COL? I am already invested in Ratesetter and Zopa as my lower risk P2P and, as someone who has a regular and sufficient income P2P only forms a small part of my investment strategy. Most of my money is in relatively safe, relatively low return stuff. I'm in a similar position, self employed and that can be volatile so I chuck a good proportion of my monthly income into Ratesetter/Zopa and some cash/isa savings and have done for years knowing that on any given month I've got monthly income coming back in that I can choose to reinvest or on a slow month subsidise my monthly income. It works well for me. I've never really had any slow months but its nice to know its there if I need it. SS was an entirely different proposition, looking at returns like that I could virtually replace my monthly wage in time with 12% returns...its not 12% after losses though ultimately.
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Post by Liz on Mar 14, 2017 20:32:06 GMT
No I haven't invested in any other high yield P2P yet, but I am looking. I am considering diversification away from property as I'm keeping my SS investment going for now. Maybe COL? I am already invested in Ratesetter and Zopa as my lower risk P2P and, as someone who has a regular and sufficient income P2P only forms a small part of my investment strategy. Most of my money is in relatively safe, relatively low return stuff. I'm in a similar position, self employed and that can be volatile so I chuck a good proportion of my monthly income into Ratesetter/Zopa and some cash/isa savings and have done for years knowing that on any given month I've got monthly income coming back in that I can choose to reinvest or on a slow month subsidise my monthly income. It works well for me. I've never really had any slow months but its nice to know its there if I need it. SS was an entirely different proposition, looking at returns like that I could virtually replace my monthly wage in time with 12% returns...its not 12% after losses though ultimately. The generally accepted rule on these boards is to expect 8% after losses, although losses are expected to be cyclical. At the moment many have earned the 12% without any losses - the good times. I have made 12% in the high interest loans-no loses On the SME sites(where I am withdrawing from), I have made around the 8% mark in benign times! Not great. Overall over 10%. It all depends on age, level of risk, can you afford to lose funds, have funds tied up etc etc, to what risk reward strategy you employ, I'm in my 30's, don't need the funds, mortgage nearly paid etc, so am prepared to go high risk. Although I want to diversify into equities, just wished they were cheaper.
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Post by c702 on Mar 14, 2017 20:47:30 GMT
I'm in a similar position, self employed and that can be volatile so I chuck a good proportion of my monthly income into Ratesetter/Zopa and some cash/isa savings and have done for years knowing that on any given month I've got monthly income coming back in that I can choose to reinvest or on a slow month subsidise my monthly income. It works well for me. I've never really had any slow months but its nice to know its there if I need it. SS was an entirely different proposition, looking at returns like that I could virtually replace my monthly wage in time with 12% returns...its not 12% after losses though ultimately. The generally accepted rule on these boards is to expect 8% after losses, although losses are expected to be cyclical. At the moment many have earned the 12% without any losses - the good times. I have made 12% in the high interest loans-no loses On the SME sites(where I am withdrawing from), I have made around the 8% mark in benign times! Not great. Overall over 10%. It all depends on age, level of risk, can you afford to lose funds, have funds tied up etc etc, to what risk reward strategy you employ, I'm in my 30's, don't need the funds, mortgage nearly paid etc, so am prepared to go high risk. Although I want to diversify into equities, just wished they were cheaper. even 8-10% is exceptional, most ordinary savers would be happy to get 3-4%. My concern is not small losses but overall stability, that is just the nerves of a new investor on my part. I'm only 34 but god damn I'd hate to lose my hard earned cash lol and I'm a plasterer so I've got a limited lifespan in work terms, my shoulder elbow back or wrist will give out sooner or later.
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Post by elliotn on Mar 15, 2017 3:51:04 GMT
Thank you for the thoughtful replies. If defaults are increasing I am very tempted to halt my investments in SS for the next 6 months to see how the field changes. I've been in SS now for about 9 months and had hoped to find good reason to increase my investment. I haven't found that reason yet although I am content(ish) to continue with what I have. As for you, I think you are giving yourself very sound advice. The 12% sale persuaded me to increase 60% as a temporary holding position, still >25% off my peak as I diversified away on the outlook of SS loan book.
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Post by seeingred on Mar 15, 2017 10:24:24 GMT
All the Glos loans now listed as DEF on the Available loans page, but not yet moved under the main DEFAULT tab.
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Post by geraldine1210 on Mar 15, 2017 14:42:43 GMT
All the Glos loans now listed as DEF on the Available loans page, but not yet moved under the main DEFAULT tab. Now on the defaulted page.
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Post by c702 on Mar 17, 2017 23:08:31 GMT
These loans have moved into official Default as they are now over 180 days overdue.  Whilst we are working very closely with the borrower, the marketing and/or refinance continues to progress slowly.  There is an ongoing claim against the properties from some previously non-secured investors. However we have received very strong and confident advice from a senior QC that our security is robust therefore we can dispose of the assets lawfully.
Well despite a probable over valuation on the security that is at least positive^
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Post by grahamg on Mar 30, 2017 0:32:43 GMT
Came across this article from Mar 8 in the W****G****S******* may have been mentioned before but makes interesting reading.
Last week, the SNJ reported that M* and M** ******* had both been declared bankrupt and had together registered 78 different companies at The *******, most of which have either been dissolved or liquidated.
M* ******* was declared bankrupt in the UK in September 2014, and the Insolvency Services are currently investigating allegations that he breached the bankruptcy order through his involvement in companies related to The *******.
Bit of a hole in the DD there, but when lending of course only the security matters!!
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 30, 2017 0:35:04 GMT
Came across this article from Mar 8 may have been mentioned before but makes interesting reading. <Removed Link Because C_D is a good boy> Last week, the SNJ reported that M* and M** ******* had both been declared bankrupt and had together registered 78 different companies at The xxx, most of which have either been dissolved or liquidated. M* ******* was declared bankrupt in the UK in September 2014, and the Insolvency Services are currently investigating allegations that he breached the bankruptcy order through his involvement in companies related to The xxx. But when lending of course only the security matters!! You should remove that link - it is against the forum rules as it IDs the borrower The security should always be top of the list when investing & carrying out DD. The security, in this case, does not look good (IMO) and was one I always avoided.
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Post by cooling_dude on Mar 31, 2017 20:27:34 GMT
"Appointment Of Receiver" @ one of the two borrowers companies has been registered at CH (although, they were actually appointed on 19 September 2016). Still waiting for the same submission for the other company
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Post by masquedefer on Apr 26, 2017 10:19:01 GMT
Hello
I was thinking whether any of the loans in default were worth investing in. After all the properties should be well secured (given the max 70% LTV). Even after default fees there should be enough to repay 100% capital and all the interest accrued during the default period.
However, the Gloucestershsire defaults all appear to be for sale as a job lot @ £4 million. The sum of the indivudual valuations is much higher @ £5.6 million. Why is there such a large valuation discrepancy? Why did the valuer get it massively wrong? Will LL/SS sue the valuer for any shortfall?
The total amount on loan is about £3.73 million so there is a good chance that after expenses there may not be enough to pay the accrued interest (assuming at sale at £4m). The monthly interest is about £56k pcm (£3.73m x 18%/12).
So I don't think I will invest any more in this one. Any thoughts?
I have also looked at PBL 081 Leatherhead and will do a separate mail for that one.
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Post by ben on Apr 26, 2017 10:24:11 GMT
Hello I was thinking whether any of the loans in default were worth investing in. After all the properties should be well secured (given the max 70% LTV). Even after default fees there should be enough to repay 100% capital and all the interest accrued during the default period. However, the Gloucestershsire defaults all appear to be for sale as a job lot @ £4 million. The sum of the indivudual valuations is much higher @ £5.6 million. Why is there such a large valuation discrepancy? Why did the valuer get it massively wrong? Will LL/SS sue the valuer for any shortfall? The total amount on loan is about £3.73 million so there is a good chance that after expenses there may not be enough to pay the accrued interest (assuming at sale at £4m). The monthly interest is about £56k pcm (£3.73m x 18%/12). So I don't think I will invest any more in this one. Any thoughts? I have also looked at PBL 081 Leatherhead and will do a separate mail for that one. I would not, Lendy is high risk investment at the best of times, the LTV valuation is always very hit and miss anyway, it is a valuation of a what would happen on a perfect day, not what would happen when you need to sell. If it has to go through the courts the costs will add up rather quick. The loan already is overdue and interest is already owed so why bother investing in a loan that is overdue when there are plenty of new loans on lendy and similar sites to invest in.
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Post by ozboy on Apr 26, 2017 12:45:38 GMT
Hello I was thinking whether any of the loans in default were worth investing in. After all the properties should be well secured (given the max 70% LTV). Even after default fees there should be enough to repay 100% capital and all the interest accrued during the default period. However, the Gloucestershsire defaults all appear to be for sale as a job lot @ £4 million. The sum of the indivudual valuations is much higher @ £5.6 million. Why is there such a large valuation discrepancy? Why did the valuer get it massively wrong? Will LL/SS sue the valuer for any shortfall? The total amount on loan is about £3.73 million so there is a good chance that after expenses there may not be enough to pay the accrued interest (assuming at sale at £4m). The monthly interest is about £56k pcm (£3.73m x 18%/12). So I don't think I will invest any more in this one. Any thoughts? I have also looked at PBL 081 Leatherhead and will do a separate mail for that one. Are you new to the site masquedefer, have you been reading the myriad comments on here regarding Valuation Reports and their, ahem, "validity"? PS - Just checked and you're certainly no "Newbie" masquedefer. You seem to know your stuff and aware of the, errrrrr, "discrepancies" which occur in VRs, so I find your question incongruous?
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Post by masquedefer on Apr 26, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
@ Ozboy
I appreciate that valuations can vary significantly. Typically if a valuation is within a bracket of +/-10% of true value then the valuer is deemed not to be negligent.
With the Glos props however, they were valued at £5.6m and are now marketed @ £4 million (nb a mortgagee in possesion has a legal duty to achieve best sale price). Thus this points to a massive overvaluation of 40% (1.6/4.0).
Even allowing a 10% leeway on sale price, if fair value was say £4.4 million then they were still overvalued by an excessively large 27% (1.2/4.4).
Nb the above fag packet calcs ignore the fact that property values have also risen over the past year, so the overvaluation %ge could be even higher.
I suppose I'm hoping that LL/SS will note this post and my earlier posting on the same subject and seek to recover any loss/shortfall incurred by claiming against the Surveyor's PI insurance. They should immediately certainly serve notice on the Surveyor to this effect (just in case annuall PI is about to expire). LL/SS should also seriously review using this firm on all future valuation work.
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Post by ozboy on Apr 26, 2017 15:31:35 GMT
I'm not aware of any P2P Platform ever claiming against a Surveyor's PI insurance, and we all know many some VRs are completely wrong, and by huge margins.
IF there has never been a claim, you have to ask yourself "Why not?"
I would hazard a very good guess as to the reasons why, however answers on an Electronic Postcard please.
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