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Post by snappyfish on Dec 13, 2015 11:27:08 GMT
Hi,
As you can see from my posts I am very new here and to p2p based investments, in fact I am new to investing full stop. I have decided to invest my savings as it is currently sitting in the bank earning 0.2% I am currently investing in mainly Saving Stream.
How many of you are new to investing and just ploughed some money in based on reading forums and web articles?
Thanks
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Post by pom on Dec 13, 2015 12:29:30 GMT
Seems a bit like you're going from one extreme to another...not sure if you're moving ALL your savings over to p2p?! I hope not as that sounds very risky especially as there are LOADS of bank accounts paying significantly more than 0.2% with no risk and higher liquidity....so I'd really recommend getting at least one of those, even if only to store money between other deals. And please spread your money between more platforms (SS is one of my favourites but I won't put any more in there than other platforms).
Not sure if I count as new or not anymore - started in April, planning to dip a toe in 3 platforms, have ended up investing a lot more spread over 16. Knew almost nothing before I started except that I didn't want to keep all my eggs in too few baskets and definitely didn't want any more going into stocks & shares. I probably rely on this forum too much, but I'm going for the spread it thinly enough that any losses won't hurt too much approach - not least as in my view however great a plaftorm/loan may seem there will ALWAYS be a chance it could fail badly...and in fact the "better" the deal, and the lower overall probability of it happening the worse it's likely to be if the sticky stuff hits the fan.
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Post by snappyfish on Dec 13, 2015 13:04:49 GMT
Seems a bit like you're going from one extreme to another...not sure if you're moving ALL your savings over to p2p?! Hi, No not all of it but still a considerable amount of money which I would not want to lose... I am going to find a better bank account. But I am reading about success on savings stream and general p2p investments.
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Post by davex on Dec 13, 2015 13:57:10 GMT
£100k of my cash is in fixed term savings, from 1.5 - 3 % APR up to 4 years. i always Keep £20K in Santander current account; 3% APR. £30k is spread across an instant access and 30 day account with Aldermore; 1-1.5 APR. Have £10k in Zopa 5 years; 5% Am aiming to have £10K in RS 1 year at 4% by next March. working on £10k each for SS and MT, but struggling to get invested in these platforms. think this gives me a spread. Comments welcome.
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Post by pom on Dec 13, 2015 14:13:14 GMT
Seems a bit like you're going from one extreme to another...not sure if you're moving ALL your savings over to p2p?! Hi, No not all of it but still a considerable amount of money which I would not want to lose... I am going to find a better bank account. But I am reading about success on savings stream and general p2p investments. Well nobody wants to lose anything but you should expect to make losses somewhere sooner or later, so base any decisions on what you can afford to lose, and if that doesn't sit comfortably then maybe p2p isn't for you. Diversifying widely should reduce the risk so that other gains will outweigh the losses but there are no guarantees.
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Post by pom on Dec 13, 2015 14:15:54 GMT
£100k of my cash is in fixed term savings, from 1.5 - 3 % APR up to 4 years. i always Keep £20K in Santander current account; 3% APR. £30k is spread across an instant access and 30 day account with Aldermore; 1-1.5 APR. Have £10k in Zopa 5 years; 5% Am aiming to have £10K in RS 1 year at 4% by next March. working on £10k each for SS and MT, but struggling to get invested in these platforms. think this gives me a spread. Comments welcome. Sounds like a good start - if you go back a few pages in this forum you'll find various threads about what the rest of us do p2pindependentforum.com/thread/3382/diversification-platforms-apple-pie was quite a good one and there are others about proportions of net worth invested in p2p. We all have different risk appetites and preferences in platforms. SS & MT do take time but you'll get there.
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Post by ben on Dec 13, 2015 14:16:49 GMT
Seems a bit like you're going from one extreme to another...not sure if you're moving ALL your savings over to p2p?! Hi, No not all of it but still a considerable amount of money which I would not want to lose... I am going to find a better bank account. But I am reading about success on savings stream and general p2p investments. There is plenty of bank accounts to begin with like Pom said that are safer Santander 3% up to 20,000 Lllyods - 4% up to 5,000 (can have 3 if married) TSB - 5% up to 2,000 (again can have 3 if married) Tescos - 3% up to 3,000 (again 3 i think) Those are just a few to begin with, I would also suggest an ISA. Nobody wants to lose money in p2p but the risk is there, saving stream is probably at the higher end of risk, ratesetter and lending works would be lower risk
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Post by am on Dec 13, 2015 14:27:55 GMT
IMHO
Best current account: Santander 1-2-3 (3% on £20,000, less monthly fees, which might be a problem for higher rate taxpayers - cashback on utility bills was covering the monthly charges, but that's probably not the case with the recent increase from £2 to £5). Alternatives - Tesco, Lloyds Club, TSB.
Best FSCS instant access account: I thought it was Virgin Money (~1.4%), but I saw a mention recently that the Post Office was paying ~1.6%. Even for non-taxpayers Premium Bonds are competitive with instant access accounts, and they are, I presume, pretty close to instant access. On £50,000 the random element is pretty much smoothed out over the medium term (unless you get a medium/high value prize).
Best regular saver: The one I have with the Coop Bank is paying 2.25% (including 2% bonus), which might be the highest rate around; the good points are that it's not term-limited, and that there was no limit on the regular savings amount, so you could build it up quickly - unlike the term limited low payment accounts which are scarcely worth the hassle. (A legacy account with the YBS is paying 3.75%, but it's capped at £20,000, and it's a closed issue.)
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Post by kaya on Dec 13, 2015 15:26:44 GMT
One of the best things about p2p investing is that it is just so much more interesting than a bank. Investing in small businesses that you can pick for yourself, for example, is a great way to diversify, and there is no better place than this forum to get the feel of it and what other people think. A lot depends on how much time you want to put into it. Do you want larger sum investing or small scale loans spread across many different businesses?
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Post by brokenbiscuits on Dec 13, 2015 16:48:08 GMT
www.4thway.co.ukIs a good starting point, it gives their opinion on risk of various p2p sites If you are sure you want to put a large amount Into p2p probably best to top load the least risky ones first, but after you have created a decent cash buffer in some or at least one of the bank accounts above. 3-5% returns. For me personally I have about 75% of my p2p money in ratesetter, which is considered by most as one of the safest. 6-6.5% returns. The rest earns slightly more but with more perceived risk. 7-12% returns. I like the term pyramids of risk. So the largest safest amount of money you hold is at the bottom in the bank accounts, as you move up in risk, the returns grow but you put slightly less in to these projects to preserve capital in case the worst happens. Going from all in 0.2% but safe to all in 12% but with the possibility of capital loss is just swapping inflation risk for a possible worse risk. Capital risk. Diversify both in the number of platforms you invest in and within the platforms themselves.
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Post by snappyfish on Dec 13, 2015 17:26:00 GMT
And are there any horror story's for people on this forum?
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Post by ben on Dec 13, 2015 18:03:07 GMT
And are there any horror story's for people on this forum? At there moment there is no horror story over people losing all there savings but do not forget even the oldest sites are not that old, as with everything diversify you can lose money in anything that you invest in , plenty of people have lost money in stocks and shares or property. Unless you are an expert in a field invest in a wide range (of sensible options) and hope for best
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Post by mrclondon on Dec 13, 2015 18:14:59 GMT
And are there any horror story's for people on this forum?
See this thread for details of a Swedish p2p platform recent failure p2pindependentforum.com/thread/3552/trustbuddy
Also investors in a UK platform (Quakle) in the early days of p2p lost essentially everything.
Bear in mind that 12% returns are to compensate you for future capital losses (expect c. 7% after losses) so diversify across loans / platforms to reduce the effect of a total write off of capital on a particular loan affecting your overall return too badly.
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Post by snappyfish on Dec 13, 2015 19:32:07 GMT
Thanks for replies so far. I think I am wanting to invest around £20k~ across many loans. As it would give me a reasonable return. Just need to keep reading and learning.
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Post by ben on Dec 13, 2015 19:53:21 GMT
Thanks for replies so far. I think I am wanting to invest around £20k~ across many loans. As it would give me a reasonable return. Just need to keep reading and learning. Have a good read round around, with that amount you can invest in a fair few platforms and into plenty of different loans on each one
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