hazellend
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Post by hazellend on Jan 5, 2016 20:54:47 GMT
I've taken my money out of Assetz for now as I still don't quite get it.
I have money in Moneything, Savingstream, Ablrateand Fundingsecure and find these sites a lot easier to invest in.
I put 1 k into Assetz QAA and queued it in MLIA for a couple of loans which seemed to disappear.
The GBBA and GEIA accounts don't seem to show you how much is available to invest and I don't really want to queue. If it is nothing available it would be better to show it.
Seems like a decent chance to invest overall but I still find the website a lot less user friendly than some of the other sites.
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Post by jonah on Jan 5, 2016 21:51:43 GMT
AC has a different approach to everywhere else... More of a set it and let it trickle rather than active on markets. I got parts on 3 loans today with no effort on my part, as the buy orders slowly do their work. gbba should be getting better as deal flow does... Mine is almost fully invested but I've not added cash for some time. GIEA I am much more worried about the deal flow but time will tell. mlia is the big question though. chris suggests that we should see much more here this quarter and I hope he is correct. I really like AC, but it does need a slightly different approach mentally to the SM than anywhere else I know and the pm isn't helped by the current lack of recent (since Christmas Eve which to be fair isn't that long) loans or more importantly visibility of upcoming loans.
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Post by min on Jan 5, 2016 22:53:51 GMT
AC has a different approach to everywhere else... More of a set it and let it trickle rather than active on markets. I got parts on 3 loans today with no effort on my part, as the buy orders slowly do their work. gbba should be getting better as deal flow does... Mine is almost fully invested but I've not added cash for some time. GIEA I am much more worried about the deal flow but time will tell. mlia is the big question though. chris suggests that we should see much more here this quarter and I hope he is correct. I really like AC, but it does need a slightly different approach mentally to the SM than anywhere else I know and the pm isn't helped by the current lack of recent (since Christmas Eve which to be fair isn't that long) loans or more importantly visibility of upcoming loans. Found myself with more cash than I can invest in Faulty Calculations after lack of interesting loans over festive period. Have removed excess and put into GBBA and it's all been invested within 24 hours. 0% as cash in Failing Cashback or 7% in GBBA? I know where I prefer to be.
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Post by min on Jan 5, 2016 22:57:36 GMT
I've taken my money out of Assetz for now as I still don't quite get it. I have money in Moneything, Savingstream, Ablrateand Fundingsecure and find these sites a lot easier to invest in. I put 1 k into Assetz QAA and queued it in MLIA for a couple of loans which seemed to disappear. Your problem may be that you did it the wrong way round. Put your money in MLIA and it gets queued into QAA earning you 3.75% while it's waiting to be invested.
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Post by chris on Jan 5, 2016 23:02:20 GMT
Around a year and a half ago we made the decision to take out the process of manually picking and choosing loan units within a loan on the aftermarket. All loan units in a given loan are the same rate (bar two historical exceptions) so it doesn't matter to the lender which one they pick, but more importantly we saw the issues FC were having with bots and knew our own automation tools were coming. Bots are a big issue on the "simpler" sites as FC have long struggled with and we're now seeing on SS. They're impossible to reliably detect and ban, and it's usually lenders with deep pockets who cause the most issues through automated bot use who the platforms don't want to alienate. In the GEIA and GBBA, and to a lesser extent now the QAA, you have "institutionalised" bots who would always have faster fingers than manual investors. So the decision was taken to do away with the concept of fastest finger first. Instead you manually choose which loans you want to invest in, the amount you want to invest, deposit a pool of funds, and then the system invests that pool of funds in those loans as they become available. The GEIA and GBBA are extensions of this whereby we set investment criteria to choose which loans are invested in. An offshoot of this is that we are also able to balance / distribute sales across lenders in a more equitable way instead of allowing those with more spare time (or better bots) to grab all they want with those who are unable to be so involved being disadvantaged. At the same time we also removed the primary market for most lenders, so all loans are already funded when they draw down and are then sold on to retail investors. There's no primary and secondary market, just the marketplace. That also means you don't have to worry about investing via two different systems - you just set your targets in the loans you're interested in. I'm convinced that these mechanisms work well and will scale well. The underlying systems are complex but the way in which a user interacts with them is simple once the concept is understood. Set your targets and make sure you have funds available. However as jonah mentions sales in the last year have not lived up to expectations and the platform has more lenders than borrowers. That is changing steadily, with record loan origination in the last quarter which will filter through into drawn loans this quarter. One of my major focuses for the next six months will be ease of use of the platform. The underlying concepts are right we're just not communicating them very well and could do far more to guide new users through the platform. Where we do get things right though is that we have an excellent customer services team. If you do ever get stuck or want guidance as to how the platform works please get in touch with them as they'll do all they can to help you, including nagging me into making things clearer on the site.
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Post by chris on Jan 5, 2016 23:05:45 GMT
I've taken my money out of Assetz for now as I still don't quite get it. I have money in Moneything, Savingstream, Ablrateand Fundingsecure and find these sites a lot easier to invest in. I put 1 k into Assetz QAA and queued it in MLIA for a couple of loans which seemed to disappear. Your problem may be that you did it the wrong way round. Put your money in MLIA and it gets queued into QAA earning you 3.75% while it's waiting to be invested. Good spot. The QAA is an investment account in its own right, with the side bonus that uninvested funds in other accounts can be "swept" into it and withdrawn automatically when needed. If you invest directly in the QAA then those funds are not available elsewhere. You need to put your funds wherever you want to invest them (MLIA, GEIA, or GBBA), then with the sweep function enabled the QAA will automatically invest any funds you have sat idle in those other accounts.
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Post by Investboy on Jan 6, 2016 10:50:39 GMT
At the beginning AC was a bit strange to me as it is very different than others platforms.
But now I love the hands off approach. I just set my limits for each loan I'm interested in and forget. Every day I get some shrapnel, sometimes even bullet or grenade. I check my account every few days and top up my account with new funds if all/mist is invested.
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Post by ablender on Jan 6, 2016 11:13:34 GMT
At the beginning AC was a bit strange to me as it is very different than others platforms. But now I love the hands off approach. I just set my limits for each loan I'm interested in and forget. Every day I get some shrapnel, sometimes even bullet or grenade. I check my account every few days and top up my account with new funds if all/mist is invested. Are they explosives? I see how after getting used to this system it can offer a viable alternative to the other sites, but I still like to know in which loans I am lending. The manual account allows that the other two G*** loans kind of allow that in a roundabout way. QAA ? I would like this to show the loans invested too.
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Post by chris on Jan 6, 2016 11:24:13 GMT
At the beginning AC was a bit strange to me as it is very different than others platforms. But now I love the hands off approach. I just set my limits for each loan I'm interested in and forget. Every day I get some shrapnel, sometimes even bullet or grenade. I check my account every few days and top up my account with new funds if all/mist is invested. Are they explosives? I see how after getting used to this system it can offer a viable alternative to the other sites, but I still like to know in which loans I am lending. The manual account allows that the other two G*** loans kind of allow that in a roundabout way. QAA ? I would like this to show the loans invested too. The manual account allows you exactly that. You choose the loans you want to invest in and the amount you want to invest, the system then handles the dirty details of deploying your cash by buying specific loan units. It's 100% your choice which loans you invest in and how much you invest (subject to supply and demand). The other investment accounts remove that manual choice and instead apply investment criteria to choose which loans your funds are invested in. But you don't have to use them at all if you don't want to. QAA is deliberately more black box but we're talking about bringing more transparency to this over the next few months. There's a lot of competitive interest in how the QAA operates which is partly why we've not been as open in discussing the internal operation.
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Post by Investboy on Jan 6, 2016 12:55:47 GMT
At the beginning AC was a bit strange to me as it is very different than others platforms. But now I love the hands off approach. I just set my limits for each loan I'm interested in and forget. Every day I get some shrapnel, sometimes even bullet or grenade. I check my account every few days and top up my account with new funds if all/most is invested. Are they explosives? I see how after getting used to this system it can offer a viable alternative to the other sites, but I still like to know in which loans I am lending. The manual account allows that the other two G*** loans kind of allow that in a roundabout way. QAA ? I would like this to show the loans invested too. I was referring to MLIA, sorry for not being clear. I don't use the other ones. Except as a temporary holding account for surplus money. Once my MLIA available balance goes close to none I transfer out of the GEIA / GBBA to manual. But when I used it, I agree, some more details on exposure in GEIA / GBBA would be useful. After recent "bot-gate" on other platform I'm appreciating the queuing system even more.
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Post by sl75 on Jan 6, 2016 13:00:51 GMT
But now I love the hands off approach. I just set my limits for each loan I'm interested in and forget... Unfortunately that approach no longer works - if you wish to maintain the same limit, you need to watch out for capital repayments and manually adjust your buying instruction by the same amount.
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Post by agent69 on Jan 6, 2016 19:26:37 GMT
I've taken my money out of Assetz for now as I still don't quite get it. Maybe you should have ensured that you 'got it' before you decided to invest?
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Post by ablender on Jan 7, 2016 0:46:53 GMT
I've taken my money out of Assetz for now as I still don't quite get it. Maybe you should have ensured that you 'got it' before you decided to invest? That is not a fair comment. Talking about myself, I can never fully understand how a system works before I try it and test it. In the case of p2p platforms this entails transferring money in and invest, while trying to go through all the possibilities that the particular platform offers.
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Post by ben on Jan 7, 2016 8:58:50 GMT
Maybe you should have ensured that you 'got it' before you decided to invest? That is not a fair comment. Talking about myself, I can never fully understand how a system works before I try it and test it. In the case of p2p platforms this entails transferring money in and invest, while trying to go through all the possibilities that the particular platform offers. I agree with all the platforms I have tried I had read the information on here then if liked the sound of it put some money in I can not see how you can know how a platform fully works without trying it, although I usually only put small amounts in so if I go wrong its not to much of a big deal
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Post by markdirac on Jan 8, 2016 10:40:59 GMT
... One of my major focuses for the next six months will be ease of use of the platform. The underlying concepts are right we're just not communicating them very well and could do far more to guide new users through the platform. Where we do get things right though is that we have an excellent customer services team. If you do ever get stuck or want guidance as to how the platform works please get in touch with them as they'll do all they can to help you, including nagging me into making things clearer on the site. I too have found AC almost impossible to use. But not because of the website - which I find to be pretty good - but because of the absence of information about how AC's several unconventional and unexpected (whilst nonetheless clever, innovative, helpful) mechanisms work, are intended to be used, don't yet work, are safe to use. The documents / FAQs / help pages are completely trivial. The customer services team are responsive, but, in my experience, never read my question with any care or empathy at all, and simply end up offending me with a trivial yet patronising answer, such as "We cannot guarantee that no debts will fail". Thereby wasting both my time and theirs. The only way to find out about how the service is intended to be used is to plough through these forum pages. Whilst this forum is a most valuable contribution towards the adoption of P2P in the UK, as a method of disseminating information about how the ever-evolving AC service works, it must surely be the very worst medium for communication since the printing press was invented. It's not as though the written instruction is not available. Andrew writes here eloquently and lucidly. But no one has the discipline to take Andrew's nuggets of intelligence and structure them into a set of pages of (updated and maintained) instructions. I am amazed that the tedium of Chris and Andrew having to repeat the same advice ad nuseum is not enough to spur them to find a writer to spend a few hours a week to do some collation and editing into a content management system.
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