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Post by sunspot on Jan 12, 2016 2:18:56 GMT
More suspicious activity, this time with slightly larger chunks and PBL006
12/01/2016 m*************3 £10.00
12/01/2016 m*************3 £170.00
12/01/2016 m*************3 £20.00
12/01/2016 T********t £20.00
12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00
12/01/2016 T********t £10.00
12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00
12/01/2016 T********t £10.00
12/01/2016 T********t £10.00
12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00
This is just a snippet. I'm not sure what to make of the £170 purchase, but I watched the £10 purchases seemingly go back and forth for quite a while - some quickly, but others slowly.
Fine tuning I suspect!
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 12, 2016 3:29:37 GMT
More suspicious activity, this time with slightly larger chunks and PBL006 There was a lot of activity late Monday evening. Everything offered -- except shrapnel -- was hoovered up instantly. If I clicked on the loan name as soon as it appeared on the available list, then by the time that page loaded a second or two later it already was showing nothing left to buy. Looking at the investor activity, it seemed to be dominated by k********n, D******7, and m*************3 making some large purchases, plus a few smaller purchases by our friend d**e and the occasional other buyer. In all, I'd guess the total number of parts bought was in the tens of thousands of pounds.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 12, 2016 8:39:19 GMT
In all, I'd guess the total number of parts bought was in the tens of thousands of pounds. But was it just the same few parts going back'ard and for'ard for testing porpoises? Maybe just a small fee on SM sales would make sense?
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 12, 2016 8:40:32 GMT
I'm not sure why 'suspicious' though ... Was there a murder I missed?
Dove bought about £3k, sticking to her rules... I think more than 10x that changed hands but I wasn't counting. Perhaps I should try to log SM activity, or is someone doing it already?
Yes, even for a bot there is a race/hazard, where the flag says something is for sale, but when you get downstream it turns out not to be true ... Even after you "buy" it that can be the case.
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Post by supernumerary on Jan 12, 2016 9:29:57 GMT
More suspicious activity, this time with slightly larger chunks and PBL006 12/01/2016 m*************3 £10.00 12/01/2016 m*************3 £170.00 12/01/2016 m*************3 £20.00 12/01/2016 T********t £20.00 12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00 12/01/2016 T********t £10.00 12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00 12/01/2016 T********t £10.00 12/01/2016 T********t £10.00 12/01/2016 M**********2 £10.00 This is just a snippet. I'm not sure what to make of the £170 purchase, but I watched the £10 purchases seemingly go back and forth for quite a while - some quickly, but others slowly. Fine tuning I suspect! Sunspot, I have noticed that both these two are extremely fast; m*************3 d**e They have the ‘edge’ over the rest of us somehow.
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Post by adrianc on Jan 12, 2016 10:39:56 GMT
Sunspot, I have noticed that both these two are extremely fast; ... d**e They have the ‘edge’ over the rest of us somehow. Gotta love these write-only threads. GSV has quite clearly told us, several times, that d**e is his BuddyBot. From what he's said about the rules he's given it, and the reputed success, I don't think it's going to be buying much longer.
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Post by sunspot on Jan 12, 2016 10:59:26 GMT
I too am aware of d**e and its claimed parentage. However, just because the owner (we assume) has taken part in these discussions, I see no reason to refer to his bot any differently to others.
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Post by oldgrumpy on Jan 12, 2016 11:26:55 GMT
I don't care who is behind the bot domination of the SM. All it means to me is that I am at such a disadvantage when it comes to buying the SM that I will not spend the time sat at a monitor even trying. When I see multiple consecutive purchases on multiple loans successfully completed by the same person (obviously with very deep pockets) I know I cannot compete, as more IT savvy investors are forced into the same path. I suspect a very high proportion of "ordinary" investors are in the same position as me.
So be it.
That's SS policy.
It won't end up to their advantage.
I await their next email after a new loan launches, telling me the good news that there will be action on the SM.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 12, 2016 12:48:29 GMT
Sunspot, I have noticed that both these two are extremely fast; ... d**e They have the ‘edge’ over the rest of us somehow. Gotta love these write-only threads. GSV has quite clearly told us, several times, that d**e is his BuddyBot. From what he's said about the rules he's given it, and the reputed success, I don't think it's going to be buying much longer. Well she still has permission to buy parts (limit £x) in 16-20 of the live loans, but since none are for sale that's a moot point. It's a bit like collecting Brook Bond tea cards (anyone remember those), there's always that one damned 'Heath Fritillary' (or whatever) that you just don't ever get. 8>. She watched £25k of Pbl0004b drift by in a big rush, but didn't want any, at the moment: 12/01/2016 11:39:22 £25,690.00 Available on Loan 97 PBL004b - xxxxxxx Bungalow, Exeter 12/01/2016 11:40:57 £9,508.00 Available on Loan 97 PBL004b - xxxxxxxx Bungalow, Exeter 12/01/2916 11:41:00 <all gone> I'm with Old Grumpy on this .. SS need to fix it (as I have been saying long before I decided my only hope of investing was to join, and win, the bot war) .. that £25k could have got several smaller investors into the market, had it been allocated by something other than FFF. Yes, of course bots have the edge .. she can get from 'Oh look, something is for sale' to submitting the request to 'buy £x of it' in rather less than 500 ms, not stopping to render, read, interpret the pretty picture web pages on the way.
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Post by treeman on Jan 12, 2016 13:20:52 GMT
I don't care who is behind the bot domination of the SM. All it means to me is that I am at such a disadvantage when it comes to buying the SM that I will not spend the time sat at a monitor even trying. When I see multiple consecutive purchases on multiple loans successfully completed by the same person (obviously with very deep pockets) I know I cannot compete, as more IT savvy investors are forced into the same path . I suspect a very high proportion of "ordinary" investors are in the same position as me. So be it. That's SS policy. It won't end up to their advantage. I await their next email after a new loan launches, telling me the good news that there will be action on the SM. Completely agree. I've done a few FFF sessions successfully in Nov/Dec to increase my holdings/diversify. Not ideal - but given the popularity/demand I was ok with it. Playing on a level field anyway..... TBH I viewed it as a bit of a challenge. I've tried once recently and didn't get a sniff, but clearly stuff was changing hands.......... I started down the Mr Angry route, which clearly wasn't about to help..........So I'm now resigned to the fact that Pre-bid is the only option I have for now. Maybe an increase in deal-flow will help. Maybe. Currently even re-investing interest come month-end may prove impossible. Some of the funds I hoped to get into SS during Jan are now heading into a couple of new sign-ups, although I probably don't need extra accounts to manage...........
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Post by marek63 on Jan 12, 2016 18:26:48 GMT
Well we exited saving stream yesterday and sold 30k plus. Glad it went to braver players than us.
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Post by boundah on Jan 12, 2016 18:55:26 GMT
I don't care who is behind the bot domination of the SM. All it means to me is that I am at such a disadvantage when it comes to buying the SM that I will not spend the time sat at a monitor even trying. When I see multiple consecutive purchases on multiple loans successfully completed by the same person (obviously with very deep pockets) I know I cannot compete, as more IT savvy investors are forced into the same path . I suspect a very high proportion of "ordinary" investors are in the same position as me. So be it. That's SS policy. It won't end up to their advantage. I await their next email after a new loan launches, telling me the good news that there will be action on the SM. Fully agree Grumpy. SS know there are bots operating and seem quite happy to allow them - no skin off their nose. Why go to all the trouble of de-botting (if this can be done) or setting up a CAPTCHA system? The loans are getting shifted and that's all they care about. For non-techie lenders like you and me who just want to play nicely there's no point arguing with this knuckle-headed point of view. I shall not be putting any more funds SS's way and shall be scaling down my loanbook as loans mature.
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Post by Steerpike on Jan 12, 2016 18:59:15 GMT
If SS don't do something about the BOTs I am really going to hurt myself. You have been warned.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Jan 12, 2016 19:02:00 GMT
Nope mine is still running, but it is somewhat selective about what to buy (and sell too .. I assume someone noticed the parts that were recently listed for sale .. blame Dove for that too). Leaving the page to autorefresh you will lose nothing .. you get notified just as fast as a bot would** .. and you avoid the risk of being locked out as a DOS attacker. Whether you can click 'buy' as fast ... no, of course you can't. ** Unless the bot is hitting the 'need to redraw' .JSON page faster than the 'every 3 seconds' the auto refresh uses, which would be asking for trouble (and no, I don't). What restrictions do you place on your SS bot? On an FC thread where someone said “18696 lasted one minute - missed it”, you replied “Even my bot missed it. I refuse to hit the website that frequently to see if there is a new loan.” How frequently are you hitting the SS website to discover new loans? IIRC you also mentioned (context?) a limit of three bids a minute. So, if more than one loan comes up at once on SS, do you bid on the first and then wait for a time before bidding on the next? I hit the SS website at the same rate as the SS available loan page does - it's 50 bytes. On FC it's more like 200,000 bytes to refresh the loan list - big difference in network traffic. The "3 bids a minute" quote was FC specific, when some of the other bots were hitting 10 a second and DOSing the servers, and no longer applies since there are only fixed rate loans there now (and FC decline to throttle the major bot players, so I am b&ggered if I am going to operate at a disadvantage), however I don't think I have yet seen a case on SS where more than 3 buying opportunities come up in any one minute - if it should happen, I'll get back to you with what Buddy decides to do. There is a (small) limit on how much of any offering she will bite.
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Post by mikes1531 on Jan 12, 2016 19:12:03 GMT
Well we exited saving stream yesterday and sold 30k plus. Glad it went to braver players than us. So that's what I was watching! ISTM that 99+% of that £30+k went to the bot operators. I'm not sure they're any braver than the rest of us who'd like to buy some parts on the SM. I'd like to buy a bit in order to increase the diversification of my portfolio.
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