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Post by lb on Feb 11, 2016 11:31:12 GMT
does anyone know why there are 4 tranches and what the difference between them is?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 11, 2016 11:34:22 GMT
does anyone know why there are 4 tranches and what the difference between them is? Read the thread dude!
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Post by ben on Feb 11, 2016 11:37:45 GMT
----- .-.-.- ----- .---- / .--. . -. -.-. . / .. -. / ... ..- .--. . .-. -.-- .- -.-. .... - / .--. .-.. . .- ... . How could you buy 0.01p of anything? I'm very slowly buying every penny in the hope that the loan defaults and they just give me the yacht You to go halfs with me, I still have a whole pound in this one so would expect at least 50% ownership in event of default
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Post by supernumerary on Feb 11, 2016 12:06:35 GMT
Hi Everyone, Just to keep you all in the loop, we will be issuing the 48 hours notice before we go live with a number of loans very soon i.e tmrw afternoon. We are hoping to receive the valuation documents for all 4 tranches of the farmland in Bedfordshire TOMORROW which we will put up as soon as they arrive with us for your perusal. We will then allocate loan parts on Saturday with the intention of completing on the loan on Tuesday. We are going to recommend that you start sending your funds over to keep on your account at SS as soon as possible so that we have the funds to complete on Tuesday morning please as the banking system is a trifle frustrating over the weekends! You won't be investing in this loan until the val docs and the parts are updated. Thanks for investing with Saving Stream. I don't think that in the two pages since savingstream posted has anybody thanked SS for going out their way and posting an update for us . This is new, and simply unnecessary since we’ll no doubt get the update in an e-mail; they have done it simply to keep us in the loop. So thank you SS! A nice week to look forward to ! And keep up the good work ! Cooling Dude, my thoughts as well.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 11, 2016 15:15:18 GMT
The risk of letting on how much is in the prefunding pot is that we will start to see games again. We are tempted to do the "bottom up" allocation over all the loans going forward which should be quite fair and stop people playing the system. Appreciate thoughts on that? savingstream , Yep, I'd vote for bottom up on everything, or (failing that) at least "the first £1m of everything" .. otherwise we might have the weird outcome of a small investor getting what they asked for in a £900k loan, but missing out bigtime in a £1m+ loan (because the system applied was different). It would be instructive to see what people would have gotten under the two different regimes. Clearly the #1 big honcho is going to lose out under any sort of allocation system, but do they lose out much more under 'bottom up' than they do under 'lets all game the system as much as we can' ?? At least under bottom up there is no incentive for anyone to bid for more than they actually want, so it has to be easier for savingstream to actually ascertain what the real demand is, as opposed to the imaginary / gaming / excess to be sold ASAP sort of demand.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 16:31:58 GMT
Funds transferred - Any sign of those valuation documents yet ?
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Post by treeman on Feb 11, 2016 16:44:01 GMT
Hi Everyone, We will then allocate loan parts on Saturday with the intention of completing on the loan on Tuesday. We are going to recommend that you start sending your funds over to keep on your account at SS as soon as possible so that we have the funds to complete on Tuesday morning please as the banking system is a trifle frustrating over the weekends! You won't be investing in this loan until the val docs and the parts are updated. Thanks for investing with Saving Stream. savingstream - I am assuming the current negative balance system remains unchanged? Once allocations have been distributed, transfers by FP made on Saturday would be with you in plenty of time.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2016 17:04:15 GMT
Hi Everyone, We will then allocate loan parts on Saturday with the intention of completing on the loan on Tuesday. We are going to recommend that you start sending your funds over to keep on your account at SS as soon as possible so that we have the funds to complete on Tuesday morning please as the banking system is a trifle frustrating over the weekends! You won't be investing in this loan until the val docs and the parts are updated. Still on track for allocation of Loan parts on Saturday ?
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 11, 2016 17:06:37 GMT
You are right that there is no initial risk as the interest is paid in advance and at the moment the secondary market is active but will it be so much in a few months times? You may find that you are unable to get rid of them in the future. I think the current activity on the secondary market has put a lot of people into a false sense of security as they see everything selling within a second or two so buy more then they would normally with the intention of selling it on, this strategy might work if demand remains the same or you may end up with owning more of a loan then you want and can not get rid of. At the moment nobody has lost a penny on SS but if this changes then the activity on the secondary market will probably change significantly. Yes, but the SM situation isn’t going to go from being ‘stupid liquid’ to stagnant over night! I do agree with wat you say, and that is why I do carry out DD on all the loans; but if I leave it until there only 100 days left on the loan, I can’t see any situation where I’ll be unable to sell the loan on the SM before anything bad happens to the loan. I think some of us may be very surprised at how quickly the SM switches from 'famine' to 'glut'. Supply/demand is a funny thing. Do people remember how long the queues were for petrol when there was a slight shortage? That's where the SS SM is now. And as soon as the shortage goes away, the queues disappear -- the petrol sits at garages waiting to be bought, with the garage tanks resupplied before they get empty. With £7M of loans expected to go live this weekend, and possibly another £8M next week, we may soon see a big switch in SM performance. I expect that many people will put in reasonable pre-funding requests for the Bedfordshire Farm loans, expecting to fund them by selling parts of loans they're overweight in so as to improve their diversification. And expect that there will be a lot of parts of 'overdue' loans put on the SM as a result. Those may indeed be snapped up quickly -- those offered today have gone pretty fast -- but I expect that before too long we will find those parts taking a while to sell. I've been with SS long enough to remember the days when selling on the SM took so long that people were complaining about the SS policy of stopping interest when parts were offered for sale rather than when the parts were sold. With the current healthy pipeline I'm expecting a return to that situation in the near future. Of course, that's JMHO -- and I may be very wrong. We'll have to wait and see what actually happens.
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Post by mikes1531 on Feb 11, 2016 17:15:27 GMT
I can't see any real benefit either in going for a spread on all 4 or just 1 tranche - although the previously mentioned possible imbalances on individual tranche pre-funds is a tricky one to try to predict - I'm still pondering ...... probably leaning to a spread at this stage...... but interested in any other ways of looking at it ! Here's another potential benefit of spreading investment between the tranches... If the reason for having the separate tranches in the first place is to allow the borrower the opportunity to sell/refinance in stages, would you rather have your entire investment in this project returned all at once or in four separate chunks? I'd definitely rather have my investment returned in smaller chunks because they're easier to reinvest, but others may have different thoughts.
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Post by j on Feb 11, 2016 18:09:25 GMT
looking at the pre-funding levels do you think there is more then enough to cover it? if more approximately what percentage do you think we may get The risk of letting on how much is in the prefunding pot is that we will start to see games again. We are tempted to do the "bottom up" allocation over all the loans going forward which should be quite fair and stop people playing the system. Appreciate thoughts on that? I wasquitehappy when you allocated equal parts to all on last 2 loans & left a small amount available on SM. I did get much less on both than I wanted but regardless, felt it was fairer imho to everybody (ie all of us start from the same start point). Many of the upcoming loans I'm sure will satisfy even high mid level investors & only the very high hitter might be a bit disappointed.
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Post by spiral on Feb 11, 2016 19:26:22 GMT
I'd definitely rather have my investment returned in smaller chunks because they're easier to reinvest, but others may have different thoughts. But how does that differ to them having 1 large loan and just paying 1/4 of it off at some point in the future or can they not make partial repayments at SS?
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Post by jonah on Feb 11, 2016 19:54:15 GMT
I'd definitely rather have my investment returned in smaller chunks because they're easier to reinvest, but others may have different thoughts. But how does that differ to them having 1 large loan and just paying 1/4 of it off at some point in the future or can they not make partial repayments at SS? As SS do pounds not percentages, they would have an issue with which lenders to repay though.
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Post by star dust on Feb 11, 2016 20:13:09 GMT
I'd definitely rather have my investment returned in smaller chunks because they're easier to reinvest, but others may have different thoughts. But how does that differ to them having 1 large loan and just paying 1/4 of it off at some point in the future or can they not make partial repayments at SS? They have done it before with PBL 02 when investors had 59% of their holdings transferred into PBL02a and 41% paid back. However, since then they have tended to re-issue loans rather than roll them, but I think IIRC that's mainly because they were increased in size rather than reduced. If you want the same repayment effect you'd have to have the same amounts in each chunk or you might end up with less or more than 25% back on one re-paying. I imagine it might be easier (or at least provide greater flexibility) for the borrower to deal with it's disposal in chunks with or without PP.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 11, 2016 21:45:15 GMT
So is it looking less likely these loans are going live on Saturday now? I would have thought we would have got an e-mail from SS by now.
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