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Post by ablender on Feb 16, 2016 10:39:26 GMT
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cooling_dude
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 10:41:04 GMT
My time on the SM over the last 3 months have given me quick fingers !
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Post by ablender on Feb 16, 2016 10:42:09 GMT
You will soon start competing with m**3 on a professional level then.
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Post by webwiz on Feb 16, 2016 10:43:57 GMT
Why on earth would somebody buy a farm and NOT ensure it continues to be farmed productively? Leaving aside the farming profit they'd be giving up, and the sundry costs they'd then have to cover from other sources, it would do nothing to increase the chances of them gaining PP for another use and would materially erode the value of the farm as an asset in the event they wanted to sell out instead. There are circumstances where developers deliberately create an eyesore to overcome local resistance to development, but I don't think that applies here. If the current owner does not wish to continue farming the land the difficulty is likely to be the problem of finding someone prepared to farm it on a short lease, or a lease with an early break point. However money solves many problems so a lease with break options with financial compensation may be the route taken.
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Post by goopy on Feb 16, 2016 10:46:13 GMT
Thanks guys. Do I need to register somewhere to receive "ADVANCE LOAN GO-LIVE NOTICE" emails, I haven't received anything?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 10:47:50 GMT
Thanks guys. Do I need to register somewhere to receive "ADVANCE LOAN GO-LIVE NOTICE" emails, I haven't received anything? No; and it shouldn't matter if you have placed your prefunding or not. However SS do seem to be having problems this this, as some users get an e-mail while others don't. Also make sure you check your spam folder, and whitelist SS (or just add them to your address book)
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 16, 2016 11:55:13 GMT
I find section 15.3 fascinating... And 15.1 as well .. apparently we are not allowed to take any notice of it even if we should accidentally see it. Maybe Lendy could elaborate about these clauses??
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 11:59:42 GMT
I find section 15.3 fascinating... And 15.1 as well .. apparently we are not allowed to take any notice of it even if we should accidentally see it. Maybe Lendy could elaborate about these clauses?? Good spot guys I think this is the surveyor covering their own back, so that if we loose our investment in this loan we (the investor) are not able to sue the surveyor; it of course makes no difference to the valuation. Maybe SS should place the valuation documents behind the Login screen, so that they are not ‘publicly’ available.
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Post by GSV3MIaC on Feb 16, 2016 12:02:02 GMT
That doesn't help with the 'not available to Lenders' clause. I mean what's the point of the valuation if not to be made available to lenders?!?
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 12:05:14 GMT
That doesn't help with the 'not available to Lenders' clause. I mean what's the point of the valuation if not to be made available to lenders?!? True. savingstream; you really need to sort this out.
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Post by ablender on Feb 16, 2016 12:36:38 GMT
I will be quoting from the valuation document prepared for Lendy for the Loan numbered PBL077. This document was prepared and copyrighted by Pygott and Crone. The following quote is necessary the purpose of my criticism as allowed by copyright laws in the UK. (Please see info at end of this post.) We are being presented with a loan backed up by a valuation document prepared for Lendy which we are not supposed to see. To back up my claims I am quoting the relevant sections from the valuation document. " 15.0 LIMITATION AND PUBLICATION 15.1 This Valuation Report is prepared solely for the use of Lendy Ltd and no responsibility is accepted to any other party for the whole or any part of its contents. The Valuation Report may be disclosed to other professional advisors assisting in respect of the purpose for which the valuation is prepared but may not be disclosed to or relied upon by individual investors providing funding to Lendy Ltd or its associated companies. 15.2 Neither the whole nor any part of this Valuation Report nor any reference thereto may be included in any published document, circular or statement nor published in any way without the Valuer’s written approval of the form and context in which it may appear. 15.3 Neither the whole nor any part of this Valuation Report may be published, reproduced or made publicly available via the internet or any other electronic medium. " I would like an explanation from both savingstream and Pygott and Crone (through SS if necessary) about this clause. We are an interested party of this lending and cannot be excluded from reading or having access to such document. I also object to Pygott and Crone denying any responsibilities for their services from us, directly or indirectly through SS. Definitely, " the valuation is prepared but may not be disclosed to or relied upon by individual investors providing funding to Lendy Ltd or its associated companies" makes this valuation totally useless to us and goes against our interests. Point 15.2 and 15.3 seems to suggest that we should not even have the opportunity to read this document and that we should be lending blind. Has the situation of how P2P been explained to these valuers? I think that these issues are very important to us the lenders and need to be addressed ASAP. "Criticism, review and reporting current events Fair dealing for criticism, review or quotation is allowed for any type of copyright work. Fair dealing with a work for the purpose of reporting current events is allowed for any type of copyright work other than a photograph. In each of these cases, a sufficient acknowledgment will be required." [https://www.gov.uk/guidance/exceptions-to-copyright accessed 16/2/16 - 12:22]
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Post by ablender on Feb 16, 2016 12:39:24 GMT
No matter how good these loans are, I think that for the time being it is important for me to remove my prefunding for these loans. I will be looking in the future for any other clauses similar to 15 above.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 12:43:20 GMT
No matter how good these loans are, I think that for the time being it is important for me to remove my prefunding for these loans. I will be looking in the future for any other clauses similar to 15 above. I'm keeping my pre-funding as it is; this clause isn't going to effect the loan or security, so no reason panic! However it does need addressing. I think in the future, when contacting surveyors SS need to put to explain that the valuation should be, and will be made avalibele to us investors
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Post by chielamangus on Feb 16, 2016 13:24:38 GMT
Whether the borrower is a farmer or not, he is going to have to farm the land or get someone to farm it for him. The motivation for buying this farm via a bridging loan from SS eludes me. Farming profit cannot support an SS loan, and there would not be many competing buyers of a farm this size so why the hurry to get it with this loan? Capital gain can only be a long term possibility, and not within the lifetime of this loan. With the current information one can only wonder what the big idea is - a large loss for tax purposes to offset substantial profits elsewhere?
As for the £80k income from basic payments, I can find no trace of this amount for any farm in Biggleswade, though only 2014 data is published so far. However, a farm this size will certainly get a lot of taxpayers' money (it's the main route by which the UK gets a little back of the £14 billion it pays directly to Brussels each year). The "entitlement" to these payments is not linked to the land, and has to be purchased separately (though to get the money one has to have the entitlement and land being farmed). Perhaps the purchase price is £1 million and this might be within the current loan. We only know the loan size and not the agreed prices for the separate purchases of the farm and the entitlements.
Is the security "secure"? Well, it ain't gonna run away, but at the same time it's not a very liquid asset. If the crunch came, it will take some time to sell. Be prepared to wait a couple of years, or sell at a substantial discount.
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Post by cooling_dude on Feb 16, 2016 13:35:01 GMT
Actually, the farmland seems to of been rather popular, and the buyer bought the land over the asking price. See Here
Considering agriculture land valuation is currently "static" (as the valuation pointed out), I would imagine this buyer, and other interested parties who failed to buy the land have some inside information
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